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dillsrotary 03-14-2006 02:43 AM

engineer's buy rx-8's?????
 
i've been wondering this for awhile. after reading post after post on this site, alot of us owners seem very up to date with the engineering field. do you think that because our cars have rotary's that it kinda attracted us to it more?? i was wondering how many of us are actual engineers and what field??? Personally i'm a aero- engineer, lockheed martin. And the rx-8 having a rotary DEF drew me to it, guess its a hidden tech thing.

PerSmitt 03-14-2006 02:50 AM

Comp sci engineer. Attracted by the uniqueness of the rotary.

2 of 2 are engineers so far :-)

astro 03-14-2006 02:54 AM

I'm an Electronics and Communications Engineer. I never thought I'd buy one of these... one drive... and 2 years on... I am loving it.

dillsrotary 03-14-2006 03:18 AM

its seems we all go for the unique type of anything. The renesis just proves it.

Gomez 03-14-2006 03:47 AM

Avionics...... :)

sti_eric 03-14-2006 05:30 AM

I'm a Systems Engineer on C-17 Flight Controls at BAE (used to be Lockheed). Wife's in IT (the RX-8 is her DD). There are also a lot of engineers on nasioc, way more than here (the site is much bigger, also). It probably has to do more with the money thing than the engineering thing. Busboys aren't going out and spending $30K on a new car.

Gomez 03-14-2006 05:32 AM

Hmmmm.....quite a few jetheads amongst us.

Nodoz 03-14-2006 05:41 AM

i'm not an engineer. i even have a ba. my degree is in mass communications and i minored in theatre. in considering going back to school to finish my degree in chinese.

we don't all have to be engineers to love the rotary.

dillsrotary 03-14-2006 05:42 AM

maybe we should team up and solve our gas mileage issue

guy321 03-14-2006 06:07 AM

Im a domestic refuse elimination engineer.

Chrisbert 03-14-2006 06:18 AM

Electronics Engineer, A/V Engineering, Network Engineering - I work in the Videoconferencing industry.

Darkrose 03-14-2006 06:22 AM

Systems Engineer @ Lockheed Martin. Have a BSEE degree. Been workin' here for 9years!! agh! I was also drawn to the RX8 because of its uniqueness. Love the car. :)

guy321 03-14-2006 06:24 AM

My cousin/roomate has an aerospace engineering degree.. he works at the AMC theater.. Ironically there's a Lockheed Martin facility between here and there.

Deslock 03-14-2006 06:33 AM

RX-8 is the sports car for nerds; it's the Mac OS X of engines
 
Add me to the list (mechanical engineering degree + job working with computers). This is an old article, but for those of you who haven't read it:


The Little Engine That Could
Why Mazda's RX-8 is the sports car for nerds.

By Paul Boutin
Posted Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003, at 7:07 PM ET

Growing up as a math and science nerd in the early '70s in a blue-collar Maine town, I had only one socially acceptable outlet for my abnormal interest in all things technical: cars. While my brother played baseball down the street, I stayed at home building a plastic model of Mazda's Japanese-built rotary engine, dubbed the "engine of the future" in magazine articles of the day. As an 11-year-old, I didn't have the model-building experience to get my battery-powered model to run properly. But years later, when I looked at it again, I saw the obvious mistake I'd made wiring the thing together, and I finally got its plastic guts spinning.

Mazda seems to have had a similar experience with its real-life engine. The company began building rotary-powered cars in 1967, and its rotary-powered sports car, the RX-7, introduced in 1977, proved lighter and faster than many pricier hot rods with more complex, heavy engines. Based on a design by German inventor Felix Wankel, the engine held a pair of spinning triangular rotors, rather than the pumping pistons that have powered most automobiles since their inception. Piston engines rely on a Rube Goldberg array of valves, levers, camshafts, belts, and pumps to feed fuel into their combustion chambers and whisk away the exhaust. The whole idea of converting the jerky up-and-down motion of a V-shaped array of pistons under the hood into a smooth spin at the rear wheels seemed wrong from the start. By contrast, my Wankel model had only three moving parts inside the engine: two triangular rotors spinning gracefully about a central driveshaft. The design was said to be simple, reliable, and powerful for its size. You can demonstrate the basic principle for yourself by taking a ring from your finger and placing it over a pencil. Hold the pencil in front of you between your hands and twirl it. The ring will orbit the pencil, tracing a spirographlike circle in the air. The Wankel design works like that in reverse: The orbiting rotor spins the driveshaft at its center.

But Mazda had to pull the plug a few years after a prestigious win at LeMans in 1991, when the rotary engine proved unable to keep up with ever-tightening emissions standards in the United States and elsewhere. Piston-engine makers, said to be on their way out in the '70s, got through the '90s by incorporating computers, alloys, and plastics into their designs to gradually wring out smog-belching inefficiencies and excess weight. Mazda killed the RX-7 in 1995 and went back to building practical, if uninspiring, family vehicles with traditional engines.

Today, with retro all the rage in auto design, it isn't too surprising to see Mazda back with a new rotary-powered sports car, the RX-8. What is surprising is the serious buzz the car has already built. The WaPo dubbed it "transcendental," and influential Automobile magazine compared it to "two cars in one": a Nissan 350Z plus a 3-Series BMW, bundled into a $27,000 package. But good luck trying to buy one at that price now. A day of dealer-hopping in and around the San Francisco Bay Area found sticker prices as high as $36,000. One salesman claimed he'd heard of buyers paying $45,000 for the privilege of getting the first one off the truck.

Mazda has done for the rotary when Detroit did for its sexiest asset, the V8. The company poured money into an R & D project to fix the rotary's pollution problems without killing its performance. Mazda engineers replaced the engine's rotors with new ones made from a much lighter alloy. To reduce the amount of burnt oil, they computerized the oil injectors that keep the rotors lubricated. They programmed smarter engine-management software for the whole system. Even the production lines were computerized, allowing more precise parts to be designed.

Computer control over both the engine's construction and operation brought a long-sought breakthrough: By moving the engine's exhaust ports around—in a way that, without computer-aided design and assembly, Felix Wankel couldn't have—Mazda engineers vastly improved the flow of combusting gases swirling through the engine. The new design both increased the Wankel's efficiency and eliminated the noxious backwash of exhaust that had flowed into the incoming mix of fuel and air. The change enabled the redesigned engine not only to limbo under the latest government smog limits but also to generate a whopping 247 horsepower from a 1.3 liter engine. That's power close to Infiniti's flagship G35 coupe from a motor smaller than the one in my old Honda Civic. The redesigned engine, dubbed RENESIS by Mazda marketers (think "renaissance" plus "genesis"), wowed auto journalists enough to whup BMW, Volkswagen, and Honda handily in the vote for this year's International Engine of the Year.

OK, great engine, but what's it like to drive? Marin Mazda dealer Ed Rossi, who's been selling cars since the RX-7's heyday, let me take a bright red RX-8 for a spin on a sunny Northern California morning this week. The car looks weird in photos but surprisingly attractive in the flesh: perky, cute, and right at home next to a 350Z or Chrysler Crossfire. Under the hood, the RENESIS engine takes up half as much space as a comparable six-cylinder job. It fits behind the car's front axle, balancing the RX-8's weight evenly across front and rear tires without intruding on the driver's feet.

Freed of excess pounds and overhanging length, the tiny RENESIS responded to the motion of my right foot on the pedal as tightly as an old Singer sewing machine, revving uninhibitedly up to 9,000 rpm before I needed to shift. That's 50 percent to 100 percent more rpm than most six- or eight-cylinder engines of comparable power. And unlike most of those engines, the rotary feels eager to rev higher and higher until you back off the gas. Pulling around a slower driver, I impatiently pressed my foot down an inch and was rewarded with a satisfying zzzzzzZZZZZZING as the whirring rotors yanked the car from 23 to 56 mph without a shrug, then dropped back just as quickly when Rossi interjected that I was zinging past both the speed limit and the local police radar trap.

Is the Wankel still "the engine of the future"? Not anymore. High-tech hot-rodders now look to all-electric motors that are more energy-efficient, less harsh on the environment, and less dependent on fossil fuels to run them (though a lot of America's electrical juice still comes from burning coal). But until electric cars get up to speed, Mazda's rotary provides a nerdy alternative to the aging piston engine. It lacks the muscular rumble and tire-shredding torque of a Dodge V10, but it has an I'm-different whirr that makes the Wankel-powered RX-8 seem smarter, if not faster, than other sports coupes. And it takes up half the under-the-hood space of its competitors. Cute, peppy, compact, different: Call it the Mac OS X of engines.

Paul Boutin is a Silicon Valley-based writer who also contributes to BusinessWeek and Engadget.

Chasvhill 03-14-2006 06:44 AM

Good article. I hadn't seen it before.

deamicls 03-14-2006 07:06 AM

Computer Science......It's part of the engineering school ;)

alcimedes 03-14-2006 07:43 AM

I'm a sys admin. We run a 60/40 Windows/Mac shop. I appreciate both OSX and the rotary.

The way I see it everyone is working on piston engines. I like to learn about things that aren't common.

djseto 03-14-2006 07:50 AM

My degree says Electrical Engineering, but I work in Business/IT Consulting. I have found there are a lot of smart people roaming this board...

deamicls 03-14-2006 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by alcimedes
I'm a sys admin. We run a 60/40 Windows/Mac shop. I appreciate both OSX and the rotary.

The way I see it everyone is working on piston engines. I like to learn about things that aren't common.

Things that aren't common aren't always good. ::COUGH:: MAC ::COUGH:: :rofl: Just kidding

tlniec 03-14-2006 08:54 AM

Mechanical engineer here. I've had an affinity for the Wankel engine since high school, and it's great to finally have one under the hood. :)

CrazyRX88's 03-14-2006 09:18 AM

I'm not an Engineer or 8 owner but most definitely a "jet-head", I'm definitely drawn to the 8 because of its unique engine.

alcimedes 03-14-2006 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by deamicls
Things that aren't common aren't always good. ::COUGH:: MAC ::COUGH:: :rofl: Just kidding


You dont' like Media Access Cards? ;)

invaliduser 03-14-2006 09:43 AM

IT Supervisor. Degree in Computer Information Systems. Rotary engines mix with nerds like a good whiskey mixes with ice.

The gas mileage problem will never be fixed by the technical and mechanical nerds on this forum. We all make too much money to really care.

saturn 03-14-2006 09:48 AM

I have degrees in Electrical/Computer Engineering and Computer Science. So, I don't really know how to do anything practical like work on cars or dig a ditch, but I can stand around looking important with the best of them.

I like the idea of how the rotary works, but a rotary in a Civic isn't getting my attention. I like the uniqueness of the 8 which is much more than just its engine.

Also, just because you see a lot of engineers on this site doesn't mean the majority of 8 owners are engineers. Technical people like engineers are more likely to spend time on this forum. Also, engineers love being loud about how they're right so they're usually the more vocal ones on this forum.

Darkrose 03-14-2006 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by invaliduser
IT Supervisor. Degree in Computer Information Systems. Rotary engines mix with nerds like a good whiskey mixes with ice.

The gas mileage problem will never be fixed by the technical and mechanical nerds on this forum. We all make too much money to really care.

mmmm....whiskey... :yesnod:

Is it a matter of too much money, or not enough time? :)


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