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Sydo 01-20-2019 03:42 PM

Cooling fan on with ignition
 
Hi my S2 with ignition on only the cooling fan comes on and stays on. What can I check I just disconnected cooling fan control mod as I thought this might be the issue but wasn't. Temp gauge went over half when idling in 107f heat so unsure if other fan is coming on. Cheers
Code P0480 and P0481 was noted

Loki 01-20-2019 04:21 PM

I'm pretty sure it's normal for the fan to come on if you turn on the ignition and the engine is warm. It may even do it cold, I'm not sure, but depending on what you were doing before you observed this, it may be normal.
In the normal case it will turn off after a bit of time. Like 20-30 seconds. If it doesn't, and the engine is cold, and the fan just keeps running for minutes, that's weird.

I'm not sure how P0480/P0481 are actually detected by the ECU, but one mechanism may be that it turns on the fans (or thinks it does), but the coolant temperature doesn't go down. On the 8 it may have another mechanism, like some kind of load reading on the circuit, but long story short, the ECU thinks the fan relays are not working. So while you've disconnected the mod, is it possible you need to reconnect the original wiring?

Sydo 01-20-2019 04:52 PM

I'm going to buy a new hose where sensor is tapped in. That mod isn't required on S2 apparantly.

Sydo 01-20-2019 05:33 PM

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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2001f363c.jpeg
I took out top right relay in pic which is cooling fan 3 for s2 and it cut out. Went back on when refitted

UnknownJinX 01-20-2019 06:44 PM

Here is how the cooling fan controls work in an S2 in tabulated form:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...aa03497bbf.png


Originally Posted by Loki (Post 4879342)
I'm pretty sure it's normal for the fan to come on if you turn on the ignition and the engine is warm. It may even do it cold, I'm not sure, but depending on what you were doing before you observed this, it may be normal.
In the normal case it will turn off after a bit of time. Like 20-30 seconds. If it doesn't, and the engine is cold, and the fan just keeps running for minutes, that's weird.

I'm not sure how P0480/P0481 are actually detected by the ECU, but one mechanism may be that it turns on the fans (or thinks it does), but the coolant temperature doesn't go down. On the 8 it may have another mechanism, like some kind of load reading on the circuit, but long story short, the ECU thinks the fan relays are not working. So while you've disconnected the mod, is it possible you need to reconnect the original wiring?

Per service manual, this is how the P0480 and P0481 work:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...21cc45bb39.png

Naturally, it covers how to repair the codes. It's mostly checking open circuits, shorts, poor connections, etc. ASH8 has the service manuals posted up in this forum.

Sydo 01-20-2019 07:16 PM

Thanks Jinx so according to that my fan shouldn't be on at start up ?

UnknownJinX 01-20-2019 07:36 PM

Definitely not on a cold start unless you have your A/C on. Hot starts will depend on the ECT, as the table indicates.

Sydo 01-20-2019 07:47 PM

Aircon off. I have swapped around relays and the same. The fan that is operating when cold is number 3 in fuse box

UnknownJinX 01-20-2019 11:29 PM

https://www.rx8club.com/series-ii-te...manual-247192/

Download the workshop manual and start following their procedures for troubleshooting. I would think there is a short somewhere in the circuit.

dannobre 01-22-2019 01:59 AM

Is your coolant temp sensor OK?

Sydo 01-22-2019 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4879442)
Is your coolant temp sensor OK?

Not sure mate going over it now. How can we check ?

Sydo 01-22-2019 02:48 AM

Temp is reading on scanner ok

NotAPreppie 01-22-2019 09:19 AM

I've heard of people wiring up a manual switch somewhere in reach of the driver. Any chance the PO did this?

Steve Dallas 01-22-2019 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by NotAPreppie (Post 4879454)
I've heard of people wiring up a manual switch somewhere in reach of the driver. Any chance the PO did this?

That would be the fans on low mod. I did it. Works great when the AC is off. If this was done, there would be an extra wire running from the switch to the relay box, and another wire running from the switch to ground.

Sydo 01-22-2019 02:16 PM

Had a look no switch. I wonder if this problem interferes with other fan speeds ?

NotAPreppie 01-23-2019 09:36 AM

Who knows? You get those electrical pixies dancing in a circle and all bets are off.

Sydo 01-24-2019 03:29 PM

Bought a new coolant temp sensor will try that

Sydo 01-24-2019 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by UnknownJinX (Post 4879353)
Here is how the cooling fan controls work in an S2 in tabulated form:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...aa03497bbf.png



Per service manual, this is how the P0480 and P0481 work:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...21cc45bb39.png

Naturally, it covers how to repair the codes. It's mostly checking open circuits, shorts, poor connections, etc. ASH8 has the service manuals posted up in this forum.

Would you know where cooling fan relay 4 and 5 are ?

Smikella 08-08-2020 04:25 PM

We're you able to correct the issue? I think I have the same issue.


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