Ok, whoever locked the other thread should know that there was actually a good arguement going on, not a bunch of screaming and yelling / your mama jokes....

you guys who say the tib is so much slower than the rx-8 are giving stats for the tiburon that are off by close to a full second in the 1/4 mile.

The tiburon does NOT do the quarter mile in the high 15's.... or 0-60 in 7.6 like i read, thats just BS. Many Tiburon drivers run 15.2's, 15.1's and thats with a horrible front wheel drive launch...

let the tib get beside a rx-8 from a roll and see what happens.

Most of these rx-8's who are only getting high 14's in the quarter are doing so with the huge advantage that they are getting off the line because they are rear wheel drive.

and if you don't beleive that rear drive helps you out that much...
lets look at something here..

whats the rx-8 supposed to do 0-60 a 5.9?
what are you guys claiming the tiburon does? 7.6?


ok and when we put the 1/4 mile times beside each other look how much that margin depletes... high 14's, sometimes 15's in the rx-8


and the tiburon makes the 1/4 in 15-15.3

what does this mean, it means that even with the huge advantage in the 0-60 caused by rear wheel drive vs. front wheel drive, the tiburon is closing the gap as it goes down the 1/4 mile.

clearly the tiburon is pulling, and clearly from a roll it would pull the rx-8... just my interpretation

 

I believe there was a board member here that ran his in 14.2 stock 6 spd without drag experience. Hmmm

 

No offense but I wouldn't buy a Hyundai if you had a gun to my head.

: )

 

Sorry your parents bought you a Tiburon dude, but just deal with it.

 

the only problem is a hard front wheel launch on any hyundai voids the warranty. hoppity hop hop

 

Guys, there's nothing wrong with a Tiburon. As long as this discussion stays civil, it can stay open, but it already looks like it's heading towards the toilet. This is just a dumb argument, plain and simple.

 

One of the big problems is that Hyundai has had such a bad rap for a long period of time, they are just starting to recover. Hopefully they can start to contend with the big producers without offering the safety of the 10 year warantly as their main selling point.

 

shouldn't really discount Hyundai, or any other Korean manufacturers too early...many ppl consider Korea to be the next Japan...

as for the Tiburon, i never gave those cars much thought...just looking at the specs on the hyundai site doesn't seem impressive at all for a $22,000 car with all the options...they look decent but in all honesty, i'd rather have a civic if i had to choose one...i guess it's just the name brand and not necessarily the car itself

 

well i got rid of my 03 tiburon 6 speed cuz the thing was a piece of crap...I cant tell you how many problems i had with it...and to be honest, and im not only saying this cuz i have an rx8 now, but you clearly feel the difference between the two...dont get me wrong the tiburon was "quick" car, but nothing special...it only has like 170 hp...it feels faster than it is cuz it has like 177 torque...But the quality of the car puts it in the price range it desearves to be in..

 

See, now you're manipulating the numbers. Do you know what happens when you make a bad launch? You spend a lot of time making up for the fact that you did. So despite a horrible launch that forces the RPM's down, which decreases the torque available for accelerating the first 60 feet, the 8 still manages to beat out the Tib. How? Because of the HP difference. Don't kid yourself into believing 60 HP is nothing. If you had a dyno graph of the tib and the 8, I could show you that in 6th gear in the tib, it is making much more HP than the RX8 at the RPM equivelant of 30-50, which is why it's faster in that test. When looking at the 50-70 test, the HP advantage is lost because you are now spinning the engine closer to what the 8 wants. If they made a 70-90 test, you would most likely see that the 8 would pull ahead even more.

Secondly, let's talk about this RWD advantage. It's not that great of an advantage with cars less than 250 HP. But, you can't sit there and say, "Well I could smoke a WRX without its AWD, or without its turbos". I mean come on, those are characteristics of the car - they aren't variables that you can add and subtract! Also, those horrible FWD launches you are referring to are much easier in a lower reving V6 than in a high reving rotary or 4 cylinder.

Thirdly, instead of taking the mags numbers and saying, well similar drivers, similar conditions, the difference between the two is what matters, you took the worst of 8 and the best of the Tibs. Now the mags say 14.5 and 15.6 for the 8 and tib respectfully for a difference of 1.1 seconds. Now the best we've heard of is 14.2 and 15.1 according to this discussion. A difference of .9 seconds. Pretty damn close to 1.1.

Your interpretation of the facts is incorrect BTW. A good launch is necessary in a high reving engine - if the engine isn't in its sweet spot for the entire run, it's very noticable. The V6 on the other hand is much more forgiving. By examining my numbers of the top gear accelerations, you can clearly see that the RX-8 is faster at higher speeds because it can put down that 60 HP advantage. By simply changing into the right gear, that advantage can be had at all speeds above 20 mph.

Find someone to prove me wrong - on the track.

 

Yep, I'll agree with most of that. Especially the changing down part.

But I will slightly disagree with the FWD not being a problem, especially in light of what someone else said about axle hop. If the Tib does hop, that *will* be a limitation. I know it is in my Ford Craptour V-6. When it started getting cold out, the Yoko AVS's really started getting slick... and if was too agressive, I could axle-hop all the change out of the change cup.

I guess you should say "good FWD" shouldn't be a problem... like on a Prelude or Civic.

 

Tib?......RX8?.....hmmmmmm... oh right, who cares.
Drive the tib if you like the tib. Get an Rx8 if you like the Rx8. Choice is a wonderful thing.
Geesh, what would the world be like if there was only vanilla ice cream.

 

That's a combination of a lot of variables however - temperature, tread, pavement, psi, throttling the clutch properly... etc. Any FWD can hop, but not when properly launched. I've hopped mine a few times, but that's strictly driver error (or mechanic error if the PSI isn't right )

 

I've driven both cars, and for me, you may beat me off the line at the light in the Tib, but just try and keep up on the on/off ramps and twisties. It's not all about acceleration. It's about how the car drives. The Tiburon feels kinda like a Grand AM GT to me. The 8 on the otherhand kinda feels like a small, smooth Corvette that they put a little V6 in.

Just my opinion.

 

For what it's worth, SCCA classes RX8 in BS and 6 cyl Tib in GS. Quite a difference there.

 

Ok... the first time around I was willing to side with you a bit because of all the bashing of the Tib, but now this is just silly. There is no one running low 15s bone stock in the Tib consistently if at all, and a Tib will NOT pull on a RX-8 from a roll.

Some more numbers to think about...


0-100
Tib = 20.6
RX-8 = 15.8

0-130
RX-8 = 33.5

0-120
Tib = 38.3

Now that RX-8 was a pre production car but the difference isn't going to be that large between the pre production and the production car. Once you break the 90 MPH point the Tib becomes a spec in the RX-8s headlights. The Tib is a nice car for the money, but lets get real, it's not even best in it's class. I was willing to put a different perspective on it the first time because of how many people were bashing the Tib, but you came fishing one too many times. AT RX-8, sure, but your not taking a RX-8 MT unless the RX-8 driver is much worse than the Tib driver.

 

Ike did you just defend the 8?? Kidding, sorry had to bug yah!
Happy holidays !

 

Nice one! I also see that Ike is posting numbers from a linear calculation from the "130 club" thread.

I saw a tibby run a high 16 at a track event. Launch looked pretty good, but we have one of the slower tracks here in Vegas

 

I was the one that first posted that number in the 130 club thread...

 

That right! It was chiketkd that turned it into a linear calculation.

 

You're drunk aren't you? :p

 

No offense here, but both cars aren't exactly drag racing machines here. If you wanted fast 0-60 or quarter mile times for bragging rights neither of the two cars mentioned here are the right ones. If 1/4 miles times are what your so concerned with then you should've went for a V8. This topic is stupid, and irrating. He has a Tib, good for him, he's got a nice new car, that looks good in and out (if you look close at the Tib guages - they kinda look like they are trying to mimik Audi a little bit), the RX-8 is also a really nice car, nicer as it should be for the price, it is obviously more money than the Tib - so duh the RX-8 is gonna be nicer. If I was gonna pay $7K to $13K more for a car, **** it better be worth the extra money. So stop the bickering bullcrap, both are nice cars both have their strengths, and both have some weakness. If you were concerned about only 1/4 mile times, well neither of these are the right car - should've looked into a Cobra or something like that - where it is all speed and little of anything else.
That is JMHO

 

No, but you are off-topic.

 

You were first, I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with chicket's calculation that I don't even think was correct. Anyhow, now that we're both off topic let's get back to bashing the Tib :D