40th Edition and R3 Suspension are the same?
http://www.worldcarfans.com/2070808....ary-edition-ja
are they the same? and is that 40th edition the same as the one over here? |
Originally Posted by Symbioticgenius
(Post 2694536)
http://www.worldcarfans.com/2070808....ary-edition-ja
are they the same? and is that 40th edition the same as the one over here? The Shinka, 40thAE suspensions are the same, but the 09 models have a revised rear suspension that does incorporate some of the same features as a Shinka and 40thAE. The 40th AE in Japan is white. |
Originally Posted by Icemark
(Post 2695403)
Yes and no.
The Shinka, 40thAE suspensions are the same, but the 09 models have a revised rear suspension that does incorporate some of the same features as a Shinka and 40thAE. The 40th AE in Japan is white. |
Originally Posted by 8 Maniac
(Post 2695461)
that kind of sucks... we should have got the white too... the 10th AE FC's were all white... would be continuing that (which is probably why they did it in japan...)
And in Japan, White is the death color... in most of the western world, black is the death color. So shouldn't it have been black? But the 10thAE Rotary (not to be confused with the 10thAE RX-7) I have only seen in brown. So if it was really following the lineage it should be brown. Chrystal White was the color of the 10AE RX-7, not the 10AE Rotary engined car. See, just a color. |
Originally Posted by Icemark
(Post 2695403)
Yes and no.
The Shinka, 40thAE suspensions are the same, but the 09 models have a revised rear suspension that does incorporate some of the same features as a Shinka and 40thAE. The 40th AE in Japan is white. So um, slightly different suspension from the 40th, to the R3, and of course the revised Trans in the R3. Any other notable performance differences? |
Originally Posted by Icemark
(Post 2695753)
Just a color...As far as I have heard all export (from Japan) 40thAE were the metro grey, while in Japan they were white.
And in Japan, White is the death color... in most of the western world, black is the death color. So shouldn't it have been black? But the 10thAE Rotary (not to be confused with the 10thAE RX-7) I have only seen in brown. So if it was really following the lineage it should be brown. Chrystal White was the color of the 10AE RX-7, not the 10AE Rotary engined car. See, just a color. |
I assumed that white was a nod to the Cosmo. Every Cosmo I've seen a picture of has been white (then again, as rare as they are they could have all been pictures of the same car).
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Originally Posted by Marklar
(Post 2696117)
I assumed that white was a nod to the Cosmo. Every Cosmo I've seen a picture of has been white (then again, as rare as they are they could have all been pictures of the same car).
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Originally Posted by 8 Maniac
(Post 2696112)
they use white in the weddings still =P So it's not always a negative color
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Originally Posted by 8 Maniac
(Post 2696112)
they use white in the weddings still =P So it's not always a negative color
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Difference...
Okay, I don't mean to hijack the thread's discussion about the colors for weddings in Japan but how significant is the difference between the suspension of the 08 Touring and the 40th Anniversary edition. This isn't an idle question as I have a deal in the works.
It sounds as if the difference was significant enough that Mazda carried it through to the '09s and then some. I've just started a search on the topic and stumbled across this so thought I'd post to it. |
Originally Posted by Ranx0R0X
(Post 2698272)
Okay, I don't mean to hijack the thread's discussion about the colors for weddings in Japan but how significant is the difference between the suspension of the 08 Touring and the 40th Anniversary edition. This isn't an idle question as I have a deal in the works.
It sounds as if the difference was significant enough that Mazda carried it through to the '09s and then some. I've just started a search on the topic and stumbled across this so thought I'd post to it. I have not seen any studies on what sort of an improvement there is supposed to be on a FE, but on my old FC 'vert, foam filling the side rails netted a noticeable increase in frame stiffness, so although the R3, Shinka's, and the 40thAE only have the cross member filled, it may be pretty minor of a difference. I am sure you would have to back to back test too see any sort of difference and that 95% of the drivers out there would probably not notice any difference. |
Test...
I took them both out for a test on a winding stretch of road. It felt very different to me but it's hard to tell when you're fooling yourself. From what I've read on the forums here that's also the case with a lot of the horsepower improvements. When you trust the seat of your pants you often end up feeling what you want to feel.
Of course, just sitting in the leather sets feels like an improved experience. From what I understand the 40th has specially tunee Bilstein shocks as well as the foam cross member. I'm not sure if the Touring has those or not. |
Originally Posted by Ranx0R0X
(Post 2700497)
From what I understand the 40th has specially tunee Bilstein shocks as well as the foam cross member. I'm not sure if the Touring has those or not.
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Stiffer shocks....
Originally Posted by CaptMatt15
(Post 2700508)
This is correct, the 40th has Bilstein shocks, the Touring does not have them. I think the only major difference between the shocks is the 40th is just a tad stiffer and they have a slightly (less than 5mm I think) larger shaft diameter.
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hmm so then there is no difference suspension wise in the R3? then whats the point lol.
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Bingo. There really is no point. Just marketing for more $'s. The R3 is essentially a Shinka with different seats, 19" wheels and a little different final drive gearing.
Originally Posted by Symbioticgenius
(Post 2704391)
hmm so then there is no difference suspension wise in the R3? then whats the point lol.
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Originally Posted by Symbioticgenius
(Post 2704391)
hmm so then there is no difference suspension wise in the R3? then whats the point lol.
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Originally Posted by Icemark
(Post 2704691)
well no... remember the R3 has the same rear suspension upgrades that all the 09 and 10 models get.
Paul. |
I actually did see that, but I wasn't sure how much of a difference it was, but I suppose its negligible or replicable in any 8.
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Originally Posted by Symbioticgenius
(Post 2704841)
I actually did see that, but I wasn't sure how much of a difference it was, but I suppose its negligible or replicable in any 8.
Paul. |
Shinka = foam filled crossmembers plus revised Tokicos (thicker shaft among others)
40th AE = foam filled crossmembers plus Bilsteins R3 = revised geometry (present in all 2009s and up) plus foam filled crossmembers plus Bilsteins |
Originally Posted by LionZoo
(Post 2705369)
Shinka = foam filled crossmembers plus revised Tokicos (thicker shaft among others)
40th AE = foam filled crossmembers plus Bilsteins R3 = revised geometry (present in all 2009s and up) plus foam filled crossmembers plus Bilsteins That you really have to use aftermarket to get any sort of reliable long term improvement. People should not confuse OEM Bilsteins with the quality and function you get with aftermarket Bilsteins. |
Yep, as said pretty much the same or fairly readily replicable.
I don't fault Mazda for trying to stimulate interest five years down the line by way of the R3. I also don't fault those folks who buy the R3 for the 'have them now' features (as relatively minor as they may be). I do find fault with the premium cost for the R3 considering how little has changed or again how easily and more cost effectively it may be replicated. Again, if buying today I would go GT. |
R3 use blisten shocks isnt it ?
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