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SiNfidelity 12-29-2014 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by J8635621 (Post 4652661)
I think that's the engine that came on my weed whacker

That engine CAME on ur weed whacker? Hahaha

dannobre 12-29-2014 06:35 PM

This thread is SUPPOSED to be for dickhead comments....and to keep them out of other peoples build threads ;)

SiNfidelity 12-29-2014 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4652690)
This thread is SUPPOSED to be for dickhead comments....and to keep them out of other peoples build threads ;)

And funny comments.

BigCajun 12-29-2014 07:59 PM

Well, it is hard to take most of these 'swap' guys seriously when most of them have never done one on an RX8, or are in a perpetual state of 'R&D'.
They can say how great they are, and how they have all the answers and graphs but no real proof is ever offered other than they know a guy, or saw a car, or read about it somewhere.
Meanwhile all of us who are driving our 8s problem free are somehow clueless to how terrible our rotaries are.

BigCajun 12-29-2014 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4652660)
Here is a big torque rotary option for the LS guys:

http://epicinter.net/wp-content/uplo...1-514x1024.jpg

Awesome graphs btw, but how do they compare to an Isuzu V6?

RIWWP 12-29-2014 08:04 PM

It depends on how many of these rotaries are in that V6

BigCajun 12-29-2014 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4652708)
It depends on how many of these rotaries are in that V6

I also like the fact that it can run on Jet fuel.

dannobre 12-29-2014 08:44 PM

Fun part of swaps is re-doing things that you don't like the way you did them the first time.

LSXREX 12-29-2014 09:14 PM

Jesus that's a huge rotary, better have tons of torque with that volume. im trying to fill the thread up with lots of asshat comments bc I have so many pertaining to the rotary. I'm not trying to convince anyone in here about the superiority of the almighty piston. That's common knowledge. So how about them straight six swaps? I love a motor that nearly sticks out of my bumper.

RIWWP 12-29-2014 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by LSXREX (Post 4652724)
Jesus that's a huge rotary, better have tons of torque with that volume.

You didn't even look at the image? The chart indicates the torque. Just shy of 1,600ftlbs of torque at ~2,500rpm.

LSXREX 12-29-2014 09:36 PM

I'm aware of the charts and yes that's impressive data. But it would only interest me if I were needing to run large generators, pumps or ships. But in, I don't know, a car? The concept of a power plant that only works well at high rpm doesn't work in street cars. If it did there would be many more cars produced with them. Not just concept cars

RIWWP 12-29-2014 09:55 PM

Define "high RPM"?

Most Honda engines are more 7,000rpm rev limits, several more than 8,000rpm
Quite a few sports cars are over 7,000rpm rev limits, including all of Mazda's sports cars since the 70s.
I believe all Subarus are over 7,000 rev limits as well. Plus all flat 6 Porsches, all Ferraris, all Lamborghini's, most Aston Martins, the new 2015 Mustang.

And that is before we get into bikes, which usually have rev limits FAR higher than even a rotary's, 11,000-15,000, or more, and it works really well for them and is popular.

You can get more power out of an engine the higher you rev it, so car manufacturers can downsize the engine and rev it more to get similar power numbers with lower cruising fuel mileage. It's the direction all car manufactures are already going.

I'd say that there is plenty of evidence that high reving works rather well...

johnbobs2010 12-29-2014 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by LSXREX (Post 4652141)
And my "300 hp" will have something foreign to any rotary guy. Torque. Feel free to do some research on the word.

torque
tôrk/noun1. a twisting force that tends to cause rotation.

Kinda the definiton of rotary, too...

ro·ta·ryˈrōdərē/adjective (of motion) revolving around a center or axis; rotational.

Just saying. Torque is all my 8 has- low top speed, but it gets there very quickly.

Arca_ex 12-29-2014 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by johnbobs2010 (Post 4652737)
Just saying. Torque is all my 8 has- low top speed, but it gets there very quickly.

lolwut.

LSXREX 12-29-2014 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by johnbobs2010 (Post 4652737)
torque
tôrk/noun1. a twisting force that tends to cause rotation.

Kinda the definiton of rotary, too...

ro·ta·ryˈrōdərē/adjective (of motion) revolving around a center or axis; rotational.

Just saying. Torque is all my 8 has- low top speed, but it gets there very quickly.

Hahahha man given that logic my Trek bike is a stump puller. I think the crank in a piston engine better represents that definition.

LSXREX 12-29-2014 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by RIWWP (Post 4652733)
Define "high RPM"?

Most Honda engines are more 7,000rpm rev limits, several more than 8,000rpm
Quite a few sports cars are over 7,000rpm rev limits, including all of Mazda's sports cars since the 70s.
I believe all Subarus are over 7,000 rev limits as well. Plus all flat 6 Porsches, all Ferraris, all Lamborghini's, most Aston Martins, the new 2015 Mustang.

And that is before we get into bikes, which usually have rev limits FAR higher than even a rotary's, 11,000-15,000, or more, and it works really well for them and is popular.

You can get more power out of an engine the higher you rev it, so car manufacturers can downsize the engine and rev it more to get similar power numbers with lower cruising fuel mileage. It's the direction all car manufactures are already going.

I'd say that there is plenty of evidence that high reving works rather well...



I love rpm. I've owned dozens of bikes engine from a WR250X to a godawful Duc 1098. I'm also aware of higher rpm usually equalling more power. However the bikes 14k rpm revving bike is 500ish lbs with rider. A CBR1000RR makes far more relative torque than the RX8. However when the only place a motor works is high rpm then it kinda takes street duty off th table. Sure it will work but that's like the crazy people saying five point harnesses and door bars are what street cars have.

Joker_andthe_thief 12-31-2014 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by LSXREX (Post 4652724)
Jesus that's a huge rotary, better have tons of torque with that volume. im trying to fill the thread up with lots of asshat comments bc I have so many pertaining to the rotary. I'm not trying to convince anyone in here about the superiority of the almighty piston. That's common knowledge. So how about them straight six swaps? I love a motor that nearly sticks out of my bumper.

heyyyyy do I detect sarcasm the i6 is super smooth and long, and strong, and particularly hard (made of metal)... :o so i don't know what your getting at, plus it fits just right, a v8 or rotary looks like my d*ck during an ice cold shower.... *pops hood* oh look it's soo cute! and tiny! -said everyone

RIWWP 12-31-2014 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Joker_andthe_thief (Post 4653022)
and particularly hard (made of metal)...

I'm curious what the other engines are made of...

Joker_andthe_thief 12-31-2014 10:43 AM

3 Attachment(s)
too wide, too short IMO
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hey your alternators showing ;)
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hmmmmmm just right
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LSXREX 12-31-2014 11:54 AM

So youre saying you like them long? Lol

LSXREX 12-31-2014 11:59 AM

What motor is in the first pic? It isnt an LS1.

yomomspimp06 12-31-2014 12:25 PM

1uz

LSXREX 12-31-2014 01:21 PM

Maybe someone should do a 1GZ like spacevomit is doing with this FD.

05rx8problems 01-09-2015 07:33 PM

Wtf
 
Holy wow...

I wanted to punch my brain out of my head after like 8 comments.... I then proceeded to skip 5 pages of complete crap.

Swaps are not reliable? Anyone that says that is severely out of date on their beliefs.

A Ls swap done correctly will last way over 100k miles.

You have engine
You have transmission
You have drive shaft
You have wiring
You have mounts
You have modification to steering and pedals
You have exhaust and intake

If you make all proper welds. Don't hack job the wiring. Tighten every bolt correctly. Use anti sieze and loctite in their correct place. There shouldn't be any question to reliability.


In college the teachers called the rotary engine the "rockstar" it's high revving and fast to the grave.

No matter how much you do to that engine it will never be as reliable as a pushrod Ls engine.

My rotary isn't blown but it's close enough. Its apex seals went to shit right under 100k miles. It's been driven 5 miles in two years. It also had the bracket for the clutch pedal snap in half twice.

Botched swaps are unreliable.

RIWWP 01-09-2015 07:54 PM

05, go here and complain all you want. You will be in good company: https://www.rx8club.com/frankenstein...ll-rip-256192/


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