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Rotary Werks 11-10-2013 10:22 AM

13b "Renesis" Project must see
 
13b "Renesis" Project must see

13b "renesis" ;) street ported & Semi peripheral ported 2011 engine .

balanced , scalloped ,clearanced

Adaptronic Ecu

will be posting more soon we are about to test this machine :anger:



http://www.rotarywerks.com/photos/un...1110111122.jpg

dznutzuk 11-10-2013 11:11 AM

What's the point of grinding the housing if it's not bridgeported(bottom right pic)? Btw, wrong section.

Rotary Werks 11-10-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by dznutzuk (Post 4542677)
What's the point of grinding the housing if it's not bridgeported(bottom right pic)? Btw, wrong section.

good observation , housing was already like that , wont make a difference

where is the right place to post this ?

dznutzuk 11-10-2013 01:08 PM

I'm not 100% sure but I'd say Major Horsepower Upgrade section.

Stray 11-11-2013 10:17 AM

sub'd

shadycrew31 11-11-2013 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Rotary Werks (Post 4542686)
good observation , housing was already like that , wont make a difference

where is the right place to post this ?

Are you serious?

Great way to deter customers you win the internet.

dznutzuk 11-11-2013 10:43 AM

Looks like a very old gl housing with water seals and 1 oil injector per housing.

shadycrew31 11-11-2013 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by dznutzuk (Post 4542972)
Looks like a very old gl housing with water seals and 1 oil injector per housing.

Much easier to use that housing versus a later 13b, which would require you to make machined cuts into the housing or rotor.

So that part makes sense....

Easy_E1 11-11-2013 12:45 PM

This is going to be interesting.
IMHO I feel that the intake port pictured (Bottom right pic) is going to cause you some grief. I do not think you left enough material on the outer edge. But that's just me.

RotaryTherapy 11-11-2013 01:23 PM


9krpmrx8 11-11-2013 01:25 PM

But does it make anymore power than a stock Renny?

Chad D. 11-11-2013 03:24 PM

Sounds cool.

TeamRX8 11-12-2013 07:20 AM

since the PPPs would have to go through the APV actuator arm I'm assuming you must have pulled the barrels and have it running them open all the time

but you went to all the trouble of balanced, scalloped, clearanced blah blah blah and couldn't swing for a decent or new housing?

I suppose it's not clear what the exact combination of parts is, it seems like just a Renesis with PPPs, but some seem to think you used GL exhaust PP housings too

shadycrew31 11-12-2013 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4543289)
since the PPPs would have to go through the APV actuator arm I'm assuming you must have pulled the barrels and have it running them open all the time

but you went to all the trouble of balanced, scalloped, clearanced blah blah blah and couldn't swing for a decent or new housing?

I suppose it's not clear what the exact combination of parts is, it seems like just a Renesis with PPPs, but some seem to think you used GL exhaust PP housings too

Surprised we finally agree on something...

From further inspection I came up with the following.

Its a 12A housing with a hacked up LIM. It looks like they kept the APV's in place you just cant see them in the picture because thats the intermediate housing.

It has one oil injector which I don't think they are even using due to its location ( not even sure how you would meter a single injector...). So 100% premix :/.

Now, what we can barely see the top of is the peripheral exhaust port, so this engine has...

Intake:
6 large primary ports (4on the stock renny, 2 with the addition of the housing)
2 APV ports

Exhaust:
4 Stock renny side ports
2 Peripheral ports with the addition of the housing.
.....

I am sure this thing is making power, should be close to 230 whp NA.

Bottom line the concept is great the execution is very poor.

Stray 11-12-2013 09:47 AM

Very innovative. Even if the execution is poor, it's cool to see people experimenting & I'm sure if it's a sound idea, someone will come along and do a really nice one. I'm interested to see a dyno pull. Not so much for the overall output so much as what the powerband will look like.

Rotary Werks 11-12-2013 10:01 AM

Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong

you failed !!!












Originally Posted by shadycrew31 (Post 4543330)
Surprised we finally agree on something...

From further inspection I came up with the following.

Its a 12A housing with a hacked up LIM. It looks like they kept the APV's in place you just cant see them in the picture because thats the intermediate housing.

It has one oil injector which I don't think they are even using due to its location ( not even sure how you would meter a single injector...). So 100% premix :/.

Now, what we can barely see the top of is the peripheral exhaust port, so this engine has...

Intake:
6 large primary ports (4on the stock renny, 2 with the addition of the housing)
2 APV ports

Exhaust:
4 Stock renny side ports
2 Peripheral ports with the addition of the housing.
.....

I am sure this thing is making power, should be close to 230 whp NA.

Bottom line the concept is great the execution is very poor.


Rotary Werks 11-12-2013 10:05 AM

100% premix .

will give details later on ...




i have many newer housings , i just wanted the 85s is my prefered option



Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4543289)
since the PPPs would have to go through the APV actuator arm I'm assuming you must have pulled the barrels and have it running them open all the time

but you went to all the trouble of balanced, scalloped, clearanced blah blah blah and couldn't swing for a decent or new housing?

I suppose it's not clear what the exact combination of parts is, it seems like just a Renesis with PPPs, but some seem to think you used GL exhaust PP housings too


shadycrew31 11-12-2013 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Rotary Werks (Post 4543346)
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong

you failed !!!

If you can move past acting like an 8 year old I'd love a better response.

I wrote up what I thought I saw from the detailed pictures you put up. Maybe you can provide more information? Also if you do not consider that LIM as not hacked up you must do the fabrication for turblown on the side.

If not I am just going to assume I was correct.

Rotary Werks 11-12-2013 10:15 AM

Hey my bad , is different from what you said ... i will show later

im just sharing this with you guys , i really don't want to get in a argument








Originally Posted by shadycrew31 (Post 4543348)
If you can move past acting like an 8 year old I'd love a better response.

I wrote up what I thought I saw from the detailed pictures you put up. Maybe you can provide more information?

If not I am just going to assume I was correct.


dznutzuk 11-12-2013 10:24 AM

Sounds good though.

shadycrew31 11-12-2013 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Rotary Werks (Post 4543349)
Hey my bad , is different from what you said ... i will show later

im just sharing this with you guys , i really don't want to get in a argument

I'm not looking for an argument I am interested in what you are doing.

I am more interested in the exhaust manifold than anything else.

stinksause 11-13-2013 12:10 PM

Cool build, waiting for results.

Why not run the semi-pp past ssv.

Are you keeping VDI on? Do you expect any negative impacts from the semi pp's?

Rotary Werks 11-14-2013 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by stinksause (Post 4543815)
Cool build, waiting for results.

Why not run the semi-pp past ssv.

Are you keeping VDI on? Do you expect any negative impacts from the semi pp's?


im expected negative impact on very low rpms . but the thing here is that im testing it on a 1988 rx7 5 speed with 390 gears so that wont help to feel close to a rx8 ...

this will go in a 6 speed 11 rx8 with 512 gears .. all i will say for now is that if you set the rpm limiter to 11k the engine will make power all the way up. im still tweaking the only valves i got to get the most bottom i can . will post more soon !!

thanks

Eric

Rotarywerks

TeamRX8 11-14-2013 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Rotary Werks (Post 4544397)
im expected negative impact on very low rpms

The ground out rotor housing will make it worse despite your claim that it won't matter

Rotary Werks 11-15-2013 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4544417)
The ground out rotor housing will make it worse despite your claim that it won't matter

right ... I wish you can be here see it & drive it so you can re-think what you just said


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