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RxEric 08-24-2016 03:59 PM

So when i got home from school I decided i try once again to start her to warm her up and this was the result

dannobre 08-24-2016 04:11 PM

Sounds to me like you have an exhaust leak? Are your spark plugs loose? It sounds like a compression leak because of the sharp pulses.

If it goes away when it warms up it may just be the expansion sealing it up a bit better

Did you ever do the coils? Wires? Plugs?

RxEric 08-24-2016 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by dannobre
Sounds to me like you have an exhaust leak? Are your spark plugs loose? It sounds like a compression leak because of the sharp pulses.

If it goes away when it warms up it may just be the expansion sealing it up a bit better

Did you ever do the coils? Wires? Plugs?

Compression leak of what king like the blown motor kind or gasket problems ? And the wires were supposed to come in today and never did disappointed in advanced autoparts and their skimpy delivery service but yea i got ngk wires on the way ngk plugs in my hand waiting for installation and the duralast oem coils im waiting for my buddy to scoop me up to go get them considering installing the plugs and coils together and just doing the wire when ever it comes in and did you watch the whole video ? She died at the end no clue why ... Ssv seems a little dirty but functional And the VDI functional as well i didnt check each solenoid tho i couldnt reach them behind the intake manifold with out dismantling it so i left that as another thing on my list to check later ive been running throttle cleaner through the butterfly flap and a tinnyyy bit inside and let her sit for a few before every start up as a "bootleg seafoam technique" not sure if it works but hey worth the try and helps me feel better about my self :)

Loki 08-24-2016 04:57 PM

Imagine how much better you'll feel when you start applying fixes that have a chance of working ;)
You've been suggested 4 times now to check your spark plugs, have you done that? This second video is clearer, you could have a loose spark plug or an intake manifold gasket failure. The "whoosh" sound is either gas coming out of somewhere or being sucked into somewhere with a single rotor's compression stroke. If it was both rotors it would be more frequent. The engine vibration points to this as well, normally these engines don't move at idle.

RxEric 08-24-2016 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Loki
Imagine how much better you'll feel when you start applying fixes that have a chance of working ;)
You've been suggested 4 times now to check your spark plugs, have you done that? This second video is clearer, you could have a loose spark plug or an intake manifold gasket failure. The "whoosh" sound is either gas coming out of somewhere or being sucked into somewhere with a single rotor's compression stroke. If it was both rotors it would be more frequent. The engine vibration points to this as well, normally these engines don't move at idle.

I did test the ignition system i posted my findings on the coils earlier in the thread haha maybe you missed it but i found only my leading plug chamber 1 was working ( weak but working) wires i didnt test i already have new ones on the way and plugs I bought new too im just waiting for everything else so i can install as a whole and not cause more problems as i go does that make sense ? Im working in the street which is illegal in my town but i got no where else to work till I stabilize her and get her to my school and cops havent bothered me yet so

RxEric 08-25-2016 06:49 AM

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Update in order from left to right trailing 2 leading 2 trailing 1 leading 1

dannobre 08-25-2016 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4777988)
Update in order from left to right trailing 2 leading 2 trailing 1 leading 1

If your description is correct they were mixed up. ....đefinitely won't hurt to change then. They don't look like they have been flooding though. They look dry in the pictures. A couple look like they are during. ..but difficult to tell from the pictures

RxEric 08-25-2016 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by dannobre
If your description is correct they were mixed up. ....đefinitely won't hurt to change then. They don't look like they have been flooding though. They look dry in the pictures. A couple look like they are during. ..but difficult to tell from the pictures

A couple look like they are what? And i change the plugs and coils and here are my findings possibly swapping the cat will fix my problem ?

dannobre 08-25-2016 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4778004)
A couple look like they are what? And i change the plugs and coils and here are my findings possibly swapping the cat will fix my problem ? http://youtu.be/QVajzO5tca4

Supposed to have said firing. Stupid autocorrect �� it's idling normally from what I can help. You still seem to have a sharp pulse noise in the exhaust..either that or the mic is picking it up that way. The whine at the start is your airpump bearing.
I couldn't see the cat in the video...but it shouldn't be red at idle

RxEric 08-25-2016 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by dannobre
Supposed to have said firing. Stupid autocorrect �� it's idling normally from what I can help. You still seem to have a sharp pulse noise in the exhaust..either that or the mic is picking it up that way. The whine at the start is your airpump bearing.
I couldn't see the cat in the video...but it shouldn't be red at idle

The cat was red right by the o2 and a little higher up ima try open headers see how that works.. And yea that tsst tssst tsst noise ( my impression skills on point) was real is that the noise you meant ?

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Loki (Post 4777592)
Because you don't have SSV symptoms, you have low compression symptoms. Do you want to invest a bunch of time and money on SSV and other potential problems, only to find out you ALSO need a new engine core? Or do you prefer to know your engine core is healthy before doing that work?

A comp test is only about $150, nobody is asking you to buy a new engine on the spot.

I'll repeat what I said above: you cannot test a spark plug. You can (and should) take out the spark plugs and at least have a look at their condition. You can (and should) test a coil with any induction light, yes.

Your wasting everyone's time your engine is tired plain and simple and if you keep messing with it your going to wreck the housings

dannobre 08-25-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4778066)
The cat was red right by the o2 and a little higher up ima try open headers see how that works.. And yea that tsst tssst tsst noise ( my impression skills on point) was real is that the noise you meant ?


Yes...that is not a normal noise. Check the exhaust manifold and the fitting at the front of the CAT.

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 11:46 AM

No idle
 
You're wasting everyone's time your engine is tired plain and simple and if you keep messing with it your going to wreck the housings then your in a real mess

RxEric 08-25-2016 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by dannobre
Yes...that is not a normal noise. Check the exhaust manifold and the fitting at the front of the CAT.

So open header not a bad idea? I mean im working in the parking lot at the corner of my house you think il be able to check the manifold from down there ?

RxEric 08-25-2016 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by POLARBEAR01
You're wasting everyone's time your engine is tired plain and simple and if you keep messing with it your going to wreck the housings then your in a real mess

Mad pessimistic il figure something out im not wasting anyones time but my own lol if i get this running im racing you

Loki 08-25-2016 12:07 PM

Get that cat off, if it's glowing it is likely dead... and bad coils is what probably killed it. Must be plugged up real bad if it glows at idle. Not sure what there is to check in the manifold, but get the cat off and either gut it and replace (with new gaskets) or find a midpipe.

Warning: it will be machine gun levels of loud if you run with an open header.

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 12:11 PM

Old dog
 

Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4778074)
Mad pessimistic il figure something out im not wasting anyones time but my own lol if i get this running im racing you

I have a few of these and from a lot of experience in very rarely any issues other than poor maintenance on the engine ie-- lack of oil changes next is running at low rpm causes carbon build up and it's like throwing in grinding compound it just eats the seals. These are a high rpm engine and if you don't drive them accordingly you end up in your position very quickly

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 12:42 PM

Internal problem
 

Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4777923)
So when i got home from school I decided i try once again to start her to warm her up and this was the result http://youtu.be/SNVVKSzZRDw

The noise you are hearing in your air box is actually from your rotors and apex seals and everytime you start it your wrecking more by watching your video your temp is coming up way too fast if you choose to start it again bring it up to full temperature then do your compression test and you will see

dannobre 08-25-2016 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by POLARBEAR01 (Post 4778088)
The noise you are hearing in your air box is actually from your rotors and apex seals and everytime you start it your wrecking more by watching your video your temp is coming up way too fast if you choose to start it again bring it up to full temperature then do your compression test and you will see

What?

You are making about as much sense as the OP is willing to listen ;)

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 01:04 PM

Internal problem
 

Originally Posted by dannobre (Post 4778093)
What?

You are making about as much sense as the OP is willing to listen ;)

It takes 10 minutes to pull your oil pan and I will bet that you will find a lot of sludge and a lot of metal filings and chunks that's a guarantee

RxEric 08-25-2016 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by POLARBEAR01
The noise you are hearing in your air box is actually from your rotors and apex seals and everytime you start it your wrecking more by watching your video your temp is coming up way too fast if you choose to start it again bring it up to full temperature then do your compression test and you will see

Lmao theres no noise in my airbox i showed what my airbox consist of i know its the wrong part its on my list of future things to change jm hoping to have an almost new car this time next year im changing everything possible that could in tern blow a potential new motor when i decided its time to change but as of right now the noise in my video sounds like it might be a crack in my headers or something its not by the airbox it's generally under or near the ssv and VDI solenoid

POLARBEAR01 08-25-2016 01:25 PM

Test
 

Originally Posted by RxEric (Post 4778103)
Lmao theres no noise in my airbox i showed what my airbox consist of i know its the wrong part its on my list of future things to change jm hoping to have an almost new car this time next year im changing everything possible that could in tern blow a potential new motor when i decided its time to change but as of right now the noise in my video sounds like it might be a crack in my headers or something its not by the airbox it's generally under or near the ssv and VDI solenoid

Hopefully when the new Rx9s come out Mazda will screen all potential buyers with a aptitude test then the fools of the world will be weeded out and these very awesome little race care with the race engine can proceed as they should!!!!!

Loki 08-25-2016 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by POLARBEAR01 (Post 4778105)
Hopefully when the new Rx9s come out Mazda will screen all potential buyers with a aptitude test then the fools of the world will be weeded out and these very awesome little race care with the race engine can proceed as they should!!!!!

For someone with 7 non-constructive posts, 6 of them in this thread, you might want to rethink your stance on weeding people out

RxEric 08-25-2016 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by POLARBEAR01
Hopefully when the new Rx9s come out Mazda will screen all potential buyers with a aptitude test then the fools of the world will be weeded out and these very awesome little race care with the race engine can proceed as they should!!!!!

I think you would be the first to fail LMFAO

RxEric 08-25-2016 01:55 PM

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