mysql101

I don't want to make this into a big argument or anything, but you said:



I seriously doubt you've got much time under your belt if you think you can't WOT the busa. I do it every time I ride it.

bse50

That's because you're a timer waiting to expire, as paulmasoner said.
The concept behind not being able to go WOT is that you reach insane speeds in very little time, thus making the deed pretty reckless and dangerous.

mysql101

Wow. So without knowing anything about me, I'm reckless.

Then Paul says the only correct bike to own, is one that is almost as fast as a RX-8.

You claim a 600cc is where it's at, yet Paul says the Duc (which races 600's) is faster than my Busa

You two are comedy gold. And it's not because you're smart, it's because of the holier than thou attitude. EVERY bike is dangerous. Fall off at 70 mph or 170 mph, your soft fleshy body is going to hit the guard rail and break up into tiny bits all the same.

Just look at Paul's post where he wrecks a bike on a test ride for confirmation of that. It was a dual sport if I recall correctly.

paulmasoner

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You dont have to know anything about you personally, you've put everything one needs to determine that right here in the open.

No where did I ever mention such a thing, see below regarding your reference to previous bike, stuff it in your ***.

Put your ***** where your mouth is and go run some laps, all I have to say about that long dead point.

Your about as accurate and slanted as the news. I was hit by a blind old lady snapping across my lane from oncoming travel with no warning, I didnt wreck ****. One of the risks in riding is coming across situations you can do little/nothing about but hate on cagers who dont pay attention. And because I'm NOT an ******* on the road I was doing the speed limit which was no where near 70 much less 170. Stuff that slant post up your *** too.
Nor was there any guard rail or breaking into tiny bits or even chewed flesh involved anywhere in that incident. Dislocated knee and a sprained ankle. If they made gear that could prevent that I'd prolly wear it too.

Classify it how you want, it was a Liter 115hp bike. <- if that combined with my previously stated opinions doesnt get it through your skull that numbers alone mean ****, then I'm sorry you dont get it.


I'm done e-fighting with ya on this. The simple reality is that the vast majority of street motorcyclists have a very bad rep for being braver than smart, dangerous, and simply waiting to die. I AM a rider and I agree fully with the mentality and it's purely because of guys like you who really honestly believe its a good idea to open bikes like that up on the road.


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bazooki

bse50...I don't know anything about you as I have only read a couple of your posts but what I do know is that you are either greatly exaggerating your motorycycling experience or you just like to spin a good tale on the forums. You are telling two busa riders about the busa like we just started riding yesterday? Maybe you should stick with a topic that you are knowledgeable about and leave the motorcycle threads to others.

paulmasoner

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I have nothing to say to support or deny any claims made, but I can tell you this. I know him personally and he has FAR more experience(including racing) in stupid fast cars and bikes than most of us in(from) north america ever gain in our entire lives

bse50

You make me sound like one lucky bastard Paul...

paulmasoner

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^ from my perspective yep. I've been lucky enough to drive a lot of nice cars, but nothing like what you've been around on 2 or 4 wheels

btw, Jennings GP (in FL if you care to try it out)...
848 EVO - 1:15.623 (happens to also be the Championship Cup Series record)
Busa - closest I can find is 1:20

just sayin. I looked it up going in last night... there are more similar examples at other tracks, go look :P
a powerful bike, does not a fast bike make(unless you drag or stop light race)

mysql101

I'm glad you're done fighting, cause those words weren't meant to incite anything, right?


It's been a while, but from what I recall, one of the first things they teach you in MSF class is that every accident is avoidable.


I get it. Last year you found out what a dual sport was, so now you're better than anyone who rides a sport bike because you think a dual sport is way better economically and is safer. The only statistic waiting to happen is a rider who becomes compliant.




Soo.... the guy who is proud of having a slow bike, is now numbers racing my bike? First it's unsafe to go fast, now if you're 5 seconds slower around a track you're too slow? Are you proud of being slow? Are you unhappy to see a fast bike? Big horse power is bad, but decent horse power is good? You're all over the place.

The irony in your statements is that you can't even numbers race a bike you ride. So you do it in third person. Who's trying too hard to compensate now?

paulmasoner

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yes, by not getting on in the first place - thats the only way(you should have paid attention better). If you believe otherwise, lets put you on the road, I'll drive the car and prove it to ya


the kind of bike has little to nothing to do with safety
I rode dual sports 10 years ago.
you forgot to add another MSF lesson to that statistic, riders who have no grasp of the limits of the bike, their skills, and the conditions.





actually my position hasnt changed.
I'm perfectly happy with my bike as stated
fast bike are fantastic in the setting they belong in
big power isnt bad, just useless on the street.
and again the point from the very beginning was refuting your 'pshh weaksauce, look at my big ***** hp#s' type comment when I simply mentioned I have a friend with a very fast bike.
I'm sorry you cant keep up. literally with the some bike you wanted to dis' in favor of enlarging your own *****, and figuratively with regards to simple conversation

call it irony all you want, I have never claimed to want anything to do with such things. I simply called you out on the posing and posturing when I saw it.

and my point was right from the beginning. The bike you wanted to talk down about because it isnt as mighty as your Busa, whips the **** out of your Busa in the only place those machines can safely be used to their potential. I have no stake in that, not my bike, not my style of riding. Simply calling you on the apparent need to fluff yourself

mysql101

Nice try, but the only way you're able to argue with me is by making up random things and attributing them to me. You'll notice I quote you when I call you out on something. There's nothing factually wrong with my statement about the MSF teaching. Obviously part of crash avoidance is avoiding situations that get you into trouble.




I'm glad you're coming around.



Neat. I'm also happy with mine. Yet I'm not sitting here comparing your bike to other dual sports that we both know FAR exceed your dual sport's capabilities. You know why? Because I don't need to belittle you on the forum for no reason.

You however, can continue to compare my bike to the baby duc all day long. Doesn't bother me.


Then why the f-- were you trying to turbo your RX-8 a few years ago? Have you lost your mind? Just because you can't spin a bike or car up at max rpms for 20 minutes doesn't make it useless. It also doesn't mean one shouldn't have the personal right to choose what makes them happy.


hahahah. so you admit it upset you.



It is ironic when the guy calling out someone else for posing, is doing exactly that in his rant. Maybe it's just sad. You decide.



waaa waaa waaa. Baby duc doesn't make me envious. You're attributing my purchase of a busa to someone who wants the biggest and baddest, yet as I've already said, the first gen busa doesn't hold any horsepower title. It's an iconic bike, and I bought it for what it is, not what it's not.

bazooki

Wow, this is getting interesting. Paul, you are one of the angriest forum members I have come across in a number of years. Your use of language is confrontational to say the least....is that why you come to forums...to flame people and troll for fights? I learned a long time ago that people on a forum behind a keyboard can say whatever they want and its unlikely they will ever have to back it up. Yeah, I did an inside out pass on Michael Schumacher back in 2008 at the Ring.......

Relax a bit and enjoy your wheels.

mysql101

bazooki, the interesting thing is that Paul and I chat a lot. I've got two years worth of AIM logs where we're talking bikes. Before that it was turbocharging RX-8's. Obviously he's got some issues to work out, and I don't think it's directly related to the Hayabusa or me.

bse50

You used a very similar language when calling me out so yes, being forum badasses is easier.

The point is fairly simple though, the 'busa is a very fast cruiser that's not intended for extreme driving.
Some people like paul and I prefer being safe on public roads, others have more fun breaking the speed limits and feeling the insane acceleration.

With that being said, I still think that mysql's busa is a poser bike. Lots of stickers, rear seat "nail" (or how you call it in the states) etc. Just like a riced out civic or a supermoto replica with all the stickers and no frontlight as we often see here.

paulmasoner

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call me crazy, but here is what I saw right after showing off power numbers
so who belittled what

you'll notice I never went through with it. When it became apparent that I was not willing to make the dedication it was going to take to make a track hobby car of it, the turbo went soon followed by the car. Whats the point for the street..

i·con (kn)
n.
1. also i·kon (kn)
a. An image; a representation.


your right on all accounts. you win. your bike is fastest, ***** largest, hair the coolest etc

bazooki

I don't think I used any confrontational language and I certainly wasn't trolling. I read something that was a gross exaggeration and I pointed it out as BS. The Hayabusa was created to be the fastest bike in the world and it accomplished that feat back in 1999 and that unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your view) brought on the regulations limiting bikes to 300 km/h. To this day it still owns all the significant LSR's and is the starting point for most drag racing and LSR efforts and it will continue to be until someone comes up with a better aero/power package. Do a bit of research on other forums and see what it can do at the track (yeah, the curvy ones)....you might be surprised.

bse50

The hayabusa around a track is overweight and not that agile at all. That's what I see almost every other weekend when I attend events with my friends.
Peace.

mysql101

You said it was FAST, and that's BEFORE he modified it. So if it's a 600cc competitor, then that puts the bike in perspective. If you think a 600cc sport bike is lesser and belittling, then that's your problem not mine.


You also said on 7/21/2010:

"now i got a fewmonths to learn the motorcycle world well enough to pick up some decent gear. i dont have any real interest in speed on a bike. that scares the **** outta me. thats why i am avoiding the american style crotch rockets"


Going fast isn't for you. It isn't for everyone. Quit harassing people because you want slow.



Are you seriously going to argue with me that the Hayabusa isn't iconic? It is the sole reason why you're even arguing with me over it!

bazooki

Haha. Clearly this is going nowhere. We both agree that the Hayabusa isn't a race replica. It isn't a 600 supersport and it isn't a 1000 superbike. No one is saying that it is. It's intended use is not as a trackday bike. It was meant to be the fastest bike money could buy in 1999 and it has held the title of King of Speed for a long long time. The End.

mysql101

Careful, you're getting close to calling it iconic.

Just look up the Hayabusa on Wikipedia, there's all sorts of inflammatory language posted!


I was very close to buying a 2010 R1. something tells me this argument would still be taking place, except I'd be hearing how ______ made it around the track faster than my poseur R1 (because it has stickers on it, and can't handle as well as a 600cc SS).

Bikes are cheap. Maybe I should just buy one from each category to put an end to how some internet guy thinks my bike sucks.

bse50

You actually made it go somewhere, your definition of the busa is perfect. It's the equivalent of a veyron on 2 wheels.
What we're arguing about is its utility. For both Paul and I going fast is reserved to the track, what's the use for a very fast bike that doesn't belong to the "track" category?
You're very polite in expressing your opinions and made good points. The problem only starts when mysql bashes anything that doesn't follow his mindset.

Since he doesn't attend track events and only rides in a suit around town and on the highway that's where it gets ridiculous. He did the same in his "fast" turbo rx8.
It was too fast for the track so he used it to go to the baker store and go back home with the bread still hot and tasty.

You actually share our attitude and point of view more.
If somebody wants bragging rights for his oversized bike and being split in 2 by a guard rail for going fast then he's right, going fast isn't for everyone.

gregs

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bump..just pulled my Suzuki out of hidding. Ready for a Xmas canyon ride!

viprez586

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I don't really need anything much faster then a 600cc.
I like being nimble, light, agile. Anyone can go fast in a straight line, it in fact requires little skill.
I suppose that's why there is so many squids on the road.

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