RX 8 sales to end in Europe
 

That's not good......

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We all knew this day would come in some form. . . but with no rotary car in its wake, its especially hard to stomach. Guess we wait for the global economy to support launching a sports car and wait for the Mazda engineers to make the rotary into a high mpg powerplant.

meh, I love my RX8 but to be honest .... Mazda and the RX8 deserve this....

No matter how you sugar coat it, the RX8 is an under powered gas consuming fucking pig EOL

Yeah, the powertrain is outdated... even in '04 it wasn't the top contender, but now with direct injection tech and gas that is 3 bucks a gallon everywhere, the powertrain deserves this

... but the chassis is still top notch, and there really won't be any "practical" sports cars out there, in my opinion.

Shit. Guess I should really try and work a deal on that R3 at my local dealer then...

Yes... before they find out about this. . .

is this just in Europe or world wide?

why does everyone think these cars eat oil like they eat gas? (I was looking at the comments on the link above)

over the 70000 miles i had my rx8 i went through about 3 cases of oil besides oil changes. This is natural, this is what was expected.

So anyone got a couch I can crash on for a while... I think I'm gonna have a grumpy wife pretty soon. I promised her I wouldn't buy another car till late summer!

a little bit yes....but people else where seem to think the car just eats through oil like a tank a fuel and you need to fill it up all the time. its not that bad.

Yeah, really sounds like you love it. I don't know about you, but the car is more than fast enough for me, and at 24 mpg I'm not complaining about fuel consumption either.

Love the car, love the motor. I've had a lot of cars, and this is one of my favorites of all time...

I don't know either. I check my oil every 1000 miles ( I just reset tripmeter "B"), but I don't really need to. I only need to add about a third of a quart in 1000 miles, so it feels like I'm being overly attentive. I've had older used cars that consumed more oil than this, so it seems like nothing to me.

I think this may be perpetuated by people who have never owned one and have "heard" they use a lot of oil...

it wasn't until bigbacon said anything... and i dont know what the fuck he is talking about

I use ~1 qt every 1,000 miles with the Sohn adapter and increased OMP flow through the AP.

Only way I feel this affects me is it probably means fewer parts and modifications. Especially true for those of us with '09s and '10s. Probably shouldn't look forward to modding my car much when the warranty's run out in 3 or 4 years.

go to the link and read the comments people left.... there are a lot of people that bash on the car for just eating through oil like it's gas, and I see that every where when this car comes up (except here). Why does everyone outside those who own one or know about them, think that the oil consumption is outrageous?


for the 09/10 guys, this does kinda suck but it might also mean that all of us start getting less service and even worse warranty service.

...wonder how long now before US regs force the same announcement from Mazda here.... something like...

"Opps... we can’t figure how to make a CAT big enough to stifle our RX-8 emission spewing rotary - so dang it - we did went and euthanized the thing. Sorry."

I'm sure it is coming. If the EU does it, we'll do it next I'm sure.

Not to mention no aftermarket support and very limited & expensive used parts market.

The car is at the end of it's normal life cycle anyways. This really isn't surprising news.

Shame such a great chassis has to go to the wayside because of the engine.

+1

Thought from the get-go it was slated for 7 years. Only reason it was even being considered is the delay in the next-gen rotary.

so do you guys think we'll actually see another gas powered rotary car?

Agreed. However, it always a sad moment when the axe finally falls... :wavey:

yeah thats production for europe.

However as I mentioned a year ago or so Mark Rechtin of Automotive news says the mx-5 chassis was re-worked for the 2010 model year in part to meet new US rear offset collision requirements coming in 2011. The 2010 RX-8 had rear bumper changes as well so they must believe they are going forward in the states at least for the 2011 MY or they wouldn't have done it.

Not surprised this is just the usual.... Now we wait and see what the future holds just like with any other car.

Other articles specify that this is Europe only and 2011 MY will still be going to other continents: http://wot.motortrend.com/6633208/au...ons/index.html

Still, the '09 '10 have sold so poorly this is hardly a surprise.

J. is Jeremy Barnes of course.

when's J going to grace us with his presence again on the forums?
only this time, lets not have the servers crash when he shows up. :o:

A couple interesting thoughts about the Euro-5 and Euro-6 standards, if I've got the numbers right(?).

1) It appears for gas powered cars coming from a Euro-4 standard (2005), the Euro-5 (2009) and Euro-6 (2014) standards are identical, only greatly affecting diesel vehicles (except SUVs and 4 wheelers get 3 yrs extra)

2) But neither of the new standards hold a candle to upcoming CA+10 other states standards for cars for NOx.

..............PM......NOx mg/km
Euro-4....na......80
Euro-5.....5.......70
Euro-6.....5.......70
CA...........6.......40

If Mazda's having touble with the NOx in Europe going from 80-->70 mg/km, what will they do to meet the drastically tighter US regs going to 40 mg/km? ..or maybe it's the particulate matter (PM) being newly regulated from our sooty cars that's the bigger problem???

It would really seem that Mazda **has** to do something to clean up the basic dirty nature of the rotary **intrinsically** rather than figuring a way to clean it up after the fact with CATs. Not only would that help solve the emissions problem, but the gas use and power/heat problems as well. If only they could....:tear:

Direct Injection? A more combustible pre-mix lubricant that burns cleaner?

Or that 90hp or whatever the hydrogen powered rx8 is. I forget nearly everything about that car, but I think it was duel fuel and could run regular fuel also?

RX sums up the 8 and Mazda's philosophy regarding it:
ROTARY EXPERIMENT!
I don't want a rotary experiment anymore, I want a rotary supercar. The name RXsays it all...an experiment...and we all know ho many experiments work out. I have know doubts that if
honda dedicated itself to the rotary we wouldn't have experimental cars but awesome rotary powered sports cars. You think if BMW was making a rotary we would have these problems?

Or maybe they just realized that the rotary is not that viable in a mass produced vehicle.

MX-5 uses it, so it's not going to waste.

and we wait....

Just makes our 8's soooo much more special. :)

..... ok so this article doesn't really say anything we didn't already know....

with all of the stupid articles about the rx7 and rx9 coming, this one ranks right up there.

we know that the EU market is killing off the 8 but nothing official has come from Mazda about the US market, until then I don't believe anything these mags are saying

Ehh 6 years is a good run time. I wouldn't be shocked if they killed it off.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/501...by-2013-report

another article saying its europe only.

"consists of two triangular rotors" .... I thought they were hex shaped :dunno: ....

Personally I think Mazda is stupid for never advertising the vehicle.... Can't sell a car if you never seen it advertised... My local dealer doesn't even carry an 8 in it's lot... And when they have it'd be about 1 or 2 low end models... Galpin Mazda usually carries 2 or 3 on a good day. More rx8s are bught used because they are actually advertised. Mazda killed the 8 ...:tear: I'm sure they advertised the 7 when it had came out. Whenever I tell someone I have an rx8 they respond "mazda makes an rx8?" or "I thought it's called an rx7?" :uh:

but after all my bitching i'm glad I have a unique rare wb

Yes....I used to own a 545I and that POS had all kinda of problems before and after the warranty ran out. I have several friends that currently own BMW's and they are constantly at the dealership.

If BMW made a rotary it would have a million more sensors and 30 pulleys.

RX-8 Production has not ceased.

The next RX-8 is tentatively due to go on sale next year, although the firm would need to be sure the new rotary engine powering it met the stricter EuroVI emission regulations, which come into force in 2014.

Development of this new rotary engine is underway at Mazda and it was due to be launched at last year’s Tokyo motor show. However, engineers are struggling to reduce the weight of the unit in addition to improving fuel consumption, emissions and boosting mid-range torque. Mazda wants to reduce the weight of all its cars by 100kg within five years; as it stands, the next RX-8 wouldn’t meet this target.

As said, if they develop an engine to meet EURO V, still they will have to make much greater deal to match it to EURO VI when it comes. In ordinary, Germany, Europe, you will have only to pay bigger taxes for the cars that are below EURO IV or V now. If you drive an Ford Escort, and the RX-8, taxes are aprox. 300€ a year for Escort, and mabe 30€ a year for the RX-8, that is what the prices were about 2 years ago.

Still, they are stopping the sales, but that doesn't mean that you can't buy an used RX-8 and have fun.

Here where I live, there are maybe thee RX-8 in the whole country (4 million people), and true, Mazda RX-8 was never advertised here, and not even presented in the car lot of authorized Mazda dealers. My country doesn't have these norm restrictions, and you could drive an RX-8 even if it had minus Euro V norm. Unfortunately, people here drive BMW's and Audi's, and they never heard of this car. Half the country drives VW Golf's from Mk1 to MkVI, and they don't know crap about cars.

California has bigger emission restrictions than Europe and it's Euro V, and they still sell that car.

And yes, BMW has good engineers and award winning motors, but I think they couldn't build a perfect Wankel engine to comply with these norms, nor them, nor Mercedes which was trying in the past, nor anyone else except Mazda in my opinion. People in Europe trust in German cars, but we say here something like this; "What German invents, Japan takes it and makes it better", and that was the case with a Wankel engine ;)