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Rotr8 08-11-2008 04:41 PM

Real time Aero adjusting wing.
 
A neat innovation for all you AutoX and track stars, AeroMotions is developing a wing that is computer controlled to adjust and adapt to your aero needs,,,,
Pretty neat stuff if it proves out...

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/11/d...poiler-debuts/

dynamho 08-11-2008 06:03 PM

I doubt applicability to auto-x. Most auto-x is done in 2nd gear - not fast enough to significantly benefit from aero downforce.

superglue 08-11-2008 06:19 PM

^^^^^

I'm with you. You're not going fast enough around turns for it to do much in autox..... but out on the track, that could prove to be very useful.

alfy28 08-11-2008 06:19 PM

^^ agree. i can see thsi helping track drivers. but as for auto x i dont see the purpose of it. but great find OP

GlenAnderson 08-11-2008 06:37 PM

Actually, I was talking with one of the developers about this yesterday (the prototype car is a local auto-x car) and the wing has such an aggressive profile that it starts generating downforce at around 30 mph.

They have done a lot of research and testing on this...it is pretty trick stuff.

BlueEyes 08-11-2008 07:17 PM

been done (in the 70's no less) and banned in real racing. I don't know about parking lots. You can generate plenty of downforce at lowspeeds.

TopGear8 08-11-2008 07:33 PM

Wow that thing is ugly!

superglue 08-11-2008 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by GlenAnderson (Post 2592209)
Actually, I was talking with one of the developers about this yesterday (the prototype car is a local auto-x car) and the wing has such an aggressive profile that it starts generating downforce at around 30 mph.

They have done a lot of research and testing on this...it is pretty trick stuff.

At 30mph downforce sounds like overkill. Especially if you're not getting any downforce on the front.

dynamho 08-11-2008 10:52 PM

I'm with superglue.
I'm still skeptical about practical application at low speeds.
Yet, the split wing design is really interesting... like aero "stabilizer bars".

Anyone know if research is being done on lateral dynamic ballasts that move around the car to offset cornering g's? I know, pretty crazy idea.

altiain 08-12-2008 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by dynamho (Post 2592181)
I doubt applicability to auto-x. Most auto-x is done in 2nd gear - not fast enough to significantly benefit from aero downforce.

Wrong. Check most of the top X Prepared or Street Modified 2 cars, and you'll find that a lot of the top cars use big wings... and generate meaningful downforce at "parking lot" speeds.

Better yet, check out the aero aids on A Modified, B Modified, or Formula SAE cars. As a former contributor to the University of Texas at Arlington's Formula SAE team, I can tell you that the aero on our cars was developed using hundreds of hours of computer simulation and wind tunnel testing, and it worked.

superglue 08-13-2008 12:45 AM

I'm not doubting that it makes downforce, I'm just not seeing how useful actual downforce is at autox speeds. Maybe for a super light that showed up on a trailer.

dynamho 08-13-2008 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by altiain (Post 2594137)
Wrong. Check most of the top X Prepared or Street Modified 2 cars, and you'll find that a lot of the top cars use big wings... and generate meaningful downforce at "parking lot" speeds.

Better yet, check out the aero aids on A Modified, B Modified, or Formula SAE cars. As a former contributor to the University of Texas at Arlington's Formula SAE team, I can tell you that the aero on our cars was developed using hundreds of hours of computer simulation and wind tunnel testing, and it worked.

OK. Any applicability to stock or mildly modified classes, like street touring? It'd have to be quite an large wing to generate proportionally significant aero downforce. Any wing of that size in the aforementioned classes likely would be more of a drag/weight hindrance than help.

alnielsen 08-13-2008 10:18 AM

There is a local guy, with a miata, that is working up a system to tilt his wing more vertical when he hits his brakes. This would work more like the Chaparral 2G. He is using air pressure as the actuator.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQjkaMzpZA

dynamho 08-13-2008 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2594571)
There is a local guy, with a miata, that is working up a system to tilt his wing more vertical when he hits his brakes. This would work more like the Chaparral 2G. He is using air pressure as the actuator.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQjkaMzpZA

That's cool.

Rotr8 08-14-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2594571)
There is a local guy, with a miata, that is working up a system to tilt his wing more vertical when he hits his brakes. This would work more like the Chaparral 2G. He is using air pressure as the actuator.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQjkaMzpZA

thats pretty wild, I wonder how much the air hydrolics weigh,, looks like a very nimble responsive system...

Wolverine 08-15-2008 03:10 PM

Looks like the new attack KITT will have something similar. LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opYYw...eature=related

superglue 08-16-2008 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by Rotr8 (Post 2596119)
thats pretty wild, I wonder how much the air hydrolics weigh,, looks like a very nimble responsive system...

What are air hydrolics? :lol:

I think you mean "pneumatics" and for future reference, it's spelled "hydraulics".

He's using a very simple circuit with nothing more than some tubing, a valve, an air reservoir, two cylinders, and a limit switch under the brake pedal. You can get a set up like that for less than $100 if you go with the cheap stuff. Only thing that would add significant weight would be the air reservoir which could be anywhere from 10~20lbs fully pressurized.

Seems like it would have minimal gains. And since it's definitely not legal in stock class, then he would be better off with proper brake upgrades and better tires.

That's my $0.02

Razz1 08-16-2008 07:50 PM

I'd like to see that Sero motion.

And the guy in the Miata is gonna stop alot faster.


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