Official 2016 ND Mazda MX-5 Miata audio teaser and reveal date.
02-07-2015, 08:12 AM
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Here is another perspective on it, and I agree. I'll want to add some more of course, but I'm ok with the fact that it isn't more from the factory. When it comes to Miata horsepower, 155 is enough
The p/w is still better than the NC.
Sounds familiar... no?
The p/w is still better than the NC.
No, the 155-horsepower MX-5 won't be for everybody, but that's okay. The people who can't understand it have a hundred other options from which to choose, and the people who can understand it don't really care what anybody else thinks.
02-07-2015, 09:13 AM
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Enough power is a matter of perspective. 275 hp at the crank is going to be around 230 whp. Maintain the driving characteristics and the car will kickass. The curb weight for the last 2 or 3 Miata's is in the 2400-2600 lb range right? Mazda said the new car will be 220 lb less. We will not know for certain until it is released.
NB curb weight 2348 lb
NC curb weight 2,447–2,542 lb
ND curb weight TBD
Miata fanatics always think people do not "get it". I am one of those that do and have supported the platform. I have owned plenty of lightweight underpowered cars that can carve up tracks and the backroads.
NB curb weight 2348 lb
NC curb weight 2,447–2,542 lb
ND curb weight TBD
Miata fanatics always think people do not "get it". I am one of those that do and have supported the platform. I have owned plenty of lightweight underpowered cars that can carve up tracks and the backroads.
02-07-2015, 10:02 AM
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What you're wanting is an FD4 RX7, maybe you're in the wrong thread 
1.6L NA - 2160 lbs, 115hp/100ftlb
1.8L NA - 2180 lbs, 133hp/114ftlb
1.8L NB - 2300 lbs, 140hp/116ftlb
2.0L NC - 2450 lbs, 170hp/140ftlb
Even if the ND is 2300 lbs it still seems like a reasonable evolution; lighter, more efficient, better emissions, about same hp/lb as the NC but more torque which with a lighter car and lower CG should hit the mark ..
1.6L NA - 2160 lbs, 115hp/100ftlb
1.8L NA - 2180 lbs, 133hp/114ftlb
1.8L NB - 2300 lbs, 140hp/116ftlb
2.0L NC - 2450 lbs, 170hp/140ftlb
Even if the ND is 2300 lbs it still seems like a reasonable evolution; lighter, more efficient, better emissions, about same hp/lb as the NC but more torque which with a lighter car and lower CG should hit the mark ..
02-07-2015, 12:53 PM
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The 1.5L ND is already confirmed at 2,230ish, the 2.0L should be just a hair over 2,300.
What's wrong with keeping a car as it is defined? You do realize that the ND IS faster than an NC, right? You want a different car, that isn't a Miata.
Those exist.
Or you can take a Miata, and add a bunch of power if you wish. That is also possible.
What's wrong with keeping a car as it is defined? You do realize that the ND IS faster than an NC, right? You want a different car, that isn't a Miata.
Those exist.
Or you can take a Miata, and add a bunch of power if you wish. That is also possible.
02-07-2015, 12:59 PM
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Put it another way. Why would Mazda eliminate the only remaining model that they are known for, to make the "piston powered RX-7" that so many people ask for? Sure, they can make a car with that much power (it will probably be a rotary if they do), but then there wouldn't be a Miata in the lineup. Mazda would have ended the model without a reason at all.
Making a 155hp Miata continues the car that has done so well for them.
If they want to make a higher powered RWD sports car, they have that option and they don't have to delete the Miata to do it.
Making a 155hp Miata continues the car that has done so well for them.
If they want to make a higher powered RWD sports car, they have that option and they don't have to delete the Miata to do it.
02-13-2015, 07:12 AM
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Offical specs from Mazda:
Mazda specs new MX-5 Miata with accessories
"Power for U.S.-bound MX-5s comes from Mazda's 2.0-liter SKYACTIV-G inline four-cylinder engine, producing 155 horsepower and 148 lb-ft of torque. Both SKYACTIV-MT and SKYACTIV-DRIVE six-speed automatic transmissions will be available."
Mazda specs new MX-5 Miata with accessories
"Power for U.S.-bound MX-5s comes from Mazda's 2.0-liter SKYACTIV-G inline four-cylinder engine, producing 155 horsepower and 148 lb-ft of torque. Both SKYACTIV-MT and SKYACTIV-DRIVE six-speed automatic transmissions will be available."
02-13-2015, 08:54 AM
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I'm becoming further convinced that A) the engine is detuned, and could get modded back up easily, and B) the Cup version of the car will have that plus other improvements 'built in' for the spec classing rules.
Anyone know when the last time it was that Mazda offered dealer accessories that were this targeted at performance? Brembo brakes, lighter BBS wheels, subtle aero that probably actually means something since it's on the Cup version.
Anyone know when the last time it was that Mazda offered dealer accessories that were this targeted at performance? Brembo brakes, lighter BBS wheels, subtle aero that probably actually means something since it's on the Cup version.
02-20-2015, 06:59 AM
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Sounds like the typical MazdaSpeed marketing, there were magnesium wheels for the RX8 that cost a small fortune ...
OE Brembos will be lighter than cast iron OE, but nowhere near race weight light
Same for BBS ...
As for the CF trunk rack, I suspect they will sell quite a few just for the cool factor despite the high price, but likely nobody will ever want to actually put anything on one out of fear of scratching it
OE Brembos will be lighter than cast iron OE, but nowhere near race weight light
Same for BBS ...
As for the CF trunk rack, I suspect they will sell quite a few just for the cool factor despite the high price, but likely nobody will ever want to actually put anything on one out of fear of scratching it
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02-20-2015, 01:13 PM
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I personally think the new front bumper looks "dented". I am waiting to see it in real life. I am a little concerned that they reduced the overall length so much. I always wished my NB had just a tad more room. Basically just to recline the seats a bit. When I get in a NC, I think the interior is just about perfect for a roadster.
I have the skyactiv g in my mazda3. Its a really nice revvy motor when driven in anger. That said it definitely lacks in power when I need it. I would be curious to feel in a car weighing about 500 lbs less. Also 6th gear is way too long for highway driving. I never had to shift down to 5th gear in my NB for highway passing.
I have the skyactiv g in my mazda3. Its a really nice revvy motor when driven in anger. That said it definitely lacks in power when I need it. I would be curious to feel in a car weighing about 500 lbs less. Also 6th gear is way too long for highway driving. I never had to shift down to 5th gear in my NB for highway passing.
02-22-2015, 12:36 PM
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If the new 2014+ Mazda 3 can have the 2.0 and the 2.5, I see no reason why they or anyone couldn't have the 2.5 in the miata, that would be 184hp and 180tq. I have a 2014 Mazda 3 with the 2.5 and its a blast for what it is, that motor in the smaller lighter and nimble miata would put a smile on anyone's face!
02-22-2015, 02:41 PM
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I personally think the new front bumper looks "dented". I am waiting to see it in real life. I am a little concerned that they reduced the overall length so much. I always wished my NB had just a tad more room. Basically just to recline the seats a bit. When I get in a NC, I think the interior is just about perfect for a roadster.
I have the skyactiv g in my mazda3. Its a really nice revvy motor when driven in anger. That said it definitely lacks in power when I need it. I would be curious to feel in a car weighing about 500 lbs less. Also 6th gear is way too long for highway driving. I never had to shift down to 5th gear in my NB for highway passing.
I have the skyactiv g in my mazda3. Its a really nice revvy motor when driven in anger. That said it definitely lacks in power when I need it. I would be curious to feel in a car weighing about 500 lbs less. Also 6th gear is way too long for highway driving. I never had to shift down to 5th gear in my NB for highway passing.
Being 5'11" and 180 lbs, I felt like the NA (w.o. seat modification) fit me like a tight glove. Definitely tolerable. No complaints with the NC obviously. Can't wait to see what the ND offers.
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03-11-2015, 03:05 PM
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I can't find the comparison schematics right now, but they did show an increase in both legroom and headroom. Significant increase as well.
Perhaps someone can find the vehicle schematics that compare the NC directly to the ND. Simple drawings with measurements in millimeters showing differences in interior and exterior dimensions. It's out there, I just forgot where I saw it.
Perhaps someone can find the vehicle schematics that compare the NC directly to the ND. Simple drawings with measurements in millimeters showing differences in interior and exterior dimensions. It's out there, I just forgot where I saw it.
03-18-2015, 08:25 AM
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I truly think this is the best Miata so far, with style, excellent suspension, decent engine etc. The fun factor has been raised. The praise of the 129 hp version was interesting. I think I see a Rotary ND in my future, although I will enjoy the US stock 2.0 when it arrives as well.
One downfall: Those who are not satisfied with the power will not make big gains too easily as the Skyactiv PE engine is VERY unfriendly to boosting at this time, with many parts being as light as possible.
Paul.
One downfall: Those who are not satisfied with the power will not make big gains too easily as the Skyactiv PE engine is VERY unfriendly to boosting at this time, with many parts being as light as possible.
Paul.
03-18-2015, 08:34 AM
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Paul,
From an engineering perspective, I find it very odd that they increased the rev limiter and moved the power band higher compared to the Mazda3/6 version of the engine, but gained no power. It suggests that the street version is 'detuned', presumably for warranty and p/w reasons. If they were going to the cost and trouble of differing ports, valvetrain, etc... to support this, they must have a reason. My personal opinion is that it is detuned for the street with a restriction, probably in the intake system, possibly in the exhaust system, and that the changes were made to support an easier power gain for the ND Cup version.
Additionally, given that all prior Miatas have been Premium fuel, do you think that the street version is the first Regular grade fuel Miata?
If it is, then there should be N/A power gains to be had with stepping up to higher octane and tuning accordingly.
If it is already at Premium, then it further begs an explanation for why there is no additional power with a higher rev range and a higher octane vs the Mazda3/6 version.
I'm convinced that something else is going on here, probably related to the ND Cup car. And I think it bodes well for being able to get a noticeable amount of extra power out of it with a plumbing change and a tune.
Thoughts?
From an engineering perspective, I find it very odd that they increased the rev limiter and moved the power band higher compared to the Mazda3/6 version of the engine, but gained no power. It suggests that the street version is 'detuned', presumably for warranty and p/w reasons. If they were going to the cost and trouble of differing ports, valvetrain, etc... to support this, they must have a reason. My personal opinion is that it is detuned for the street with a restriction, probably in the intake system, possibly in the exhaust system, and that the changes were made to support an easier power gain for the ND Cup version.
Additionally, given that all prior Miatas have been Premium fuel, do you think that the street version is the first Regular grade fuel Miata?
If it is, then there should be N/A power gains to be had with stepping up to higher octane and tuning accordingly.
If it is already at Premium, then it further begs an explanation for why there is no additional power with a higher rev range and a higher octane vs the Mazda3/6 version.
I'm convinced that something else is going on here, probably related to the ND Cup car. And I think it bodes well for being able to get a noticeable amount of extra power out of it with a plumbing change and a tune.
Thoughts?
04-01-2015, 01:19 PM
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MAZDASPEED Motorsports Development - ND Build Begins
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The process of turning the 155hp, 2332lb. roadster into a competition car – which will be sold by Mazda – is in good hands.
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04-22-2015, 05:05 AM
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Pretty much the same info here, looks like the other site just copied it from Mazda.
MAZDASPEED Motorsports Development
$30k+ for a Miata, just not feeling it
MAZDASPEED Motorsports Development
$30k+ for a Miata, just not feeling it
04-22-2015, 05:09 AM
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