gwilliams6

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ws&date=010318

Boy if Mazda wants their next Mazda6 to compete with this, they better come with enough hp and torque to play, as well as the customary great Mazda handling. .

blackmount

Soooo an Excellent, uber reliable engine to swap in to the RX-8 that isn't an LS?

For those of us who want to put 500,000 miles on their RX-8....

MattMPS

just my 2 cents and from an european POV.

Mazda with next "6"(assumed as midsize sedan) don't need to compete with Camry. Honestly Camry is a what we call a "domestic appliance on wheels"

Next "6" need to compete with : Jaguar XE, Alfa Giulia, BMW 3series, MB C class, Lexus IS. at least with mechanic layout and chassis performances

RWD, engines until 300 HP (for US, 250 hp for Europe are enough) and 4WD option.

Less volumes*, more margins, Camry/Accord & co are undefeatable in US market. let's play a different game.

*BTW : currently,according to Mazda sources, no more than 150k /year Mazda 6 are produced @Mazda Factory in Hofu, Japan , and the factory serves all the world markets except China (a version of 6 is produced over there for internal market )

so, today mazda 6 is already a "niche" model ,compared to global midsize sedans

comebackqid

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they are on par the 2018 mazda 6 has 250hp/315tq thanks to the proper skyactivG-T engine. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news

not on par power but that torque is pretty good.

In terms of modding the 6 should have an advantage with water-meth better fuel exhaust down pipe etc. should be able to crank a good amount of power from it.

From what I hear though the skyactivG engine are lacking in the flow department the heads don't flow very well and are restrictive.

SayNoToPistons

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The current Mazda6 is competing in a market that is dominated by the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord (which tops its class), Hyundai Sonata, etc. Unfortunately, the competition has gotten so good that the Mazda6 cannot set itself apart unless it steps up-class to the niche between the economy mid-size FWD sedans and entry level "luxury sport sedans". I am a die-hard Mazda fan, but it would be a no brainer to choose the new Honda Accord over the Mazda6, even with the 2.5T.

That said, I hope Mazda takes this opportunity to develop a platform to trickle itself into the entry level luxury RWD segment.

comebackqid

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I think that is where they are headed the next Lexus is supposed to be a Mazda chassis and we know they don't do FWD.

https://www.motor1.com/news/181159/m...l-drive-rumor/

of course just conjecture rumors etc. but mazda does already share chassis with toyota for instance the mazda 2 is the toyota iA toyota is a shareholder and likes mazda's stuff so anything is possible.

That mazda coupe thing that was revealed recently maybe be the next 6/Lexus RS/IS/GS/LC platforms well LC/RC are 2 door but yea who knows.

SayNoToPistons

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One can only hope. I hope this doesn't spawn a new Camry/Mazda/Lexus ES FWD chassis.

Mazmart

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It's simple. Let's see the performance numbers on the road. I'm betting the Mazda is just as quick if not quicker than the Toyota.

Paul.

9krpmrx8

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Yay more FWD lameness.

UnknownJinX

One thing people tend to overlook is that it's 305 HP at 6500 RPM or somewhere around that. 99.99999999% of Toyota drivers don't even go past 3000 RPM, so that number's pointless.

A shame that this engine isn't used in some sportier applications.

Toyotas make me yawn, so I refuse to buy one that's not an old beater.

Not sure if you can make an engine made for FWD platform to work with RWD. Even if you could, why not just LS swap? Yeah, it's unoriginal, but who gives a crap when it's fast?

I actually went to the local Mazda dealer with some friends yesterday. They are shopping for new cars. One of them want a small SUV, but the CX-3 is just way too small. Even the sales guy said it's smaller on the inside than the 3 hatch. The other one wanted to buy a Mazda 6, but the dealer sold all the 17 6s and is waiting for the 18 6s to come.

Then I took them to the local Honda dealer. The guy looking for an SUV said the HR-V is a good size for him, and the other one looking for a 6 said the Accord has a very good interior, even better than the 18 6. He said he will give the 6 another look when it hits the dealer, but he now is considering the Accord as well.

Not everyone goes to track everyday... Get over it. It's not like you can somehow make RWD less costly to make and as efficient as FWD.

Edit: Another thing that also works against the 6 is the lack of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Mazda has been promising it since 2015 and still, we have nothing. Meanwhile, the Accord is equipped with both. I personally don't really care about this kind of tech(I quite like what my RX-8 has), but a lot of buyers do.

My buddy still thinks that the 6 looks better than the Accord, which I have to agree. The Accord looks fine except for the crab claw taillights, which unfortunately is now a thing with most new Hondas nowadays.