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jtspells 04-04-2016 12:46 PM

New mazda rotary patents.
 
New R&T article is a must read for the possible future of a new rotary!!



Mazda Patent Hints at an Updated, Turbocharged Rotary Engine

StealthTL 04-04-2016 01:26 PM

All it really achieves is turning the motor 180* to allow room 'on top' to accommodate a turbo....

Apart from that, I don't see any advantage?

Anybody?

Beuler?

MikeTyson8MyKids 04-04-2016 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by StealthTL (Post 4753987)
All it really achieves is turning the motor 180* to allow room 'on top' to accommodate a turbo....

Apart from that, I don't see any advantage?

Anybody?

Beuler?

Yes, thank you.

Drawings show a spun port injected renesis. I don't get it either.

New Star Mazda engine? They are due for a new chassis some time soon I believe.

zoom44 04-04-2016 04:03 PM

the intake track is longer. that allows for more power due to helmholtz tuning. shorter exhaust path. it's not just rotated. that would put the oil pan on top. it's recasting the engine so the ports and the igniton are on opposite sides from where they are now and swapped vertically

StealthTL 04-04-2016 08:36 PM

Well, it's perfectly cromulant that they knew not to put the oilpan on top, but I'm still missing the 'advantages'.....

Looks like even the catalyst will be above the engine, so that's marginally retarded.

At first look, it seemed that they had changed the rotation direction to widdershins, but that view is from the gearbox end, so it is the same as before.

Still missing any design advantage.

neit_jnf 04-05-2016 09:48 AM

longer intake for better resonance tuning, shorter higher flowing exhaust path for less restriction and faster turbo spool... better fuel injection flow... lower engine packaging, lower cg... Not great improvements but still.

zoom44 04-05-2016 10:43 AM

whoah whoah whoah calm down stealth no need to start throwing words like cromulant around ;)

200.mph 04-05-2016 10:49 AM

whats going on here? stealth and zoom both on 8club? cant be true

neit_jnf 04-05-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 4754163)
whoah whoah whoah calm down stealth no need to start throwing words like cromulant around ;)

I had to google cromulant and widdershins :hahano:

wannawankel 04-05-2016 11:41 AM

The advanatages might be: (1) reducing turbulence in the engine wrt buildup at the ports, (2) space in case they're adding in an AWD and electric motors that will take side-to-side space, (3) Mazda is getting into lightweight airplane engine market, (4) allows for higher compression chamber shape for improved fuel economy / emissions.

The fact that the patent published shows Mazda's got skin in the rotary's future. I like that.

StealthTL 04-05-2016 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by wannawankel (Post 4754179)
The fact that the patent published shows Mazda's got skin in the rotary's future. I like that.

True dat.

Mazmart 04-05-2016 05:52 PM

I see this as the most exciting RE news since the 16X was announced. The future is bright friends :)


Paul.

lastphaseofthis 04-05-2016 11:11 PM

points yall missed..
1 heat on the the top of the engine, hinting at major thermal changes, maybe the coolant path is different as well.
2 oil is still injected on top? during expantion? i vonder?
3. side exhaust again. yikes.

reddozen 04-06-2016 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by lastphaseofthis (Post 4754305)
side exhaust again. yikes.

I would highly doubt that will ever go away. It's an emissions thing. If they're going through the efforts to recast everything, I would make the center plate a little thicker and allow proper cooling and sizing of the center port. I really wish they would make a 2 piece eshaft with center bearing...


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