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ASH8 10-21-2008 09:05 PM

New Mazda 6 2.2 Turbo Diesel..Not for USA Yet?
 
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Mazda Australia revealed the passenger car that will shake up Australian consumers' perception of diesel engines.


Mazda further cemented its diesel domination among Japanese passenger car brands with the addition of a new-generation turbodiesel drivetrain to the classy Mazda6 medium car range from December.


Speaking at the Sydney motor show in Darling Harbour, Mazda Executive Vice President Philip Spender said this is a demonstration of Mazda's commitment to deliver a driving experience that benefits both the consumer and the environment.


"This new-generation 2.2-litre turbocharged diesel engine in the Mazda6 Diesel shows that the enthusiast and the environment can exist in harmony. This high-tech engine brings huge increases in engine performance and driving pleasure while sporting exemplary environmental credentials."


Mr Spender said the Mazda6 Diesel will make diesel synonymous with exhilaration.


"This engine will change the way Australians perceive diesel engines. It is robust and refined, powerful and economical. It delivers a combination of real world performance and fuel economy unmatched for the price in Australia."


Mr Spender confirmed that the Mazda6 Diesel will be offered in five-door hatchback and five-door wagon bodystyles, and is expected to be priced comparatively with its petrol siblings.


Like all Mazda6 models, the Mazda6 Diesel will come with high levels of equipment and class-leading safety features, including Dynamic Stability Control and front, side and curtain airbags standard.


The Mazda6's new-generation 2.2-litre turbodiesel engine is 0.2 litres bigger than the engine it succeeds. It produces 136kW of power and a stomping 400Nm of torque from just 1,800rpm, up 31kW and 40Nm respectively, and all delivered to the front wheels via a sporty six-speed manual transmission.


The Mazda6 Diesel's real-world performance takes a big leap forward: It accelerates from rest to 100km/h in 8.5 seconds, one second quicker than before. The new model dispatches the standard overtaking test (80-120km/h) in 5.8 seconds in fourth gear - a time that puts many highly fancied sports cars to shame.


The Mazda6 Diesel's fuel economy is rated at a miserly 5.9L/100km - exactly the same as the 2.0-litre turbodiesel it replaces and significantly batter than many so-called "economical" small cars.


An impressively low CO2 emissions rating of 159g/km makes the Mazda6 Diesel an environmentally-sound consumer choice.


"This is a classic example of having your cake and eating it too," said Spender. "It's a clear demonstration of Mazda's Sustainable Zoom-Zoom commitment to deliver environmentally-friendly cars that are exhilarating to drive."


The Mazda6 Diesel is the second turbodiesel passenger car in Mazda's current range alongside the Mazda3 Diesel.


Mazda's Doug Dickson said the Mazda6 Diesel's compelling mix of performance, economy and value for money would give it a broad appeal with consumers.


"The Mazda6 Diesel is frugal around town and a true hybrid-beater in the country, so it'll appeal to buyers keen to minimise their impact on the environment as well as lessen the pain at the petrol pump.


"With 400Nm of torque, it will deliver an effortless, refined driving experience, yet it's also capable of accelerating strongly and responsively when needed. So, if you enjoy driving, you'll enjoy the Mazda6 Diesel.


"And all this eco-friendliness and excitement is contained in a svelte and practical Mazda6 hatchback or wagon body, so it's a natural fit for the Australian lifestyle."

Ever Hernandez 10-21-2008 09:20 PM

This can't come to the us any sooner :drool: :lol2:

EdwardsB 10-21-2008 09:30 PM

that front bumper looks so much better than the one we got, unless it is the bumper for this diesel only?

Mikeluvs8 10-21-2008 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by EdwardsB (Post 2693302)
that front bumper looks so much better than the one we got, unless it is the bumper for this diesel only?

agree!

bruce_van 10-21-2008 11:44 PM

"The Mazda6 Diesel's fuel economy is rated at a miserly 5.9L/100km"

What does that translate to MPG?

MattMPS 10-22-2008 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by bruce_van (Post 2693499)
"The Mazda6 Diesel's fuel economy is rated at a miserly 5.9L/100km"

What does the translate to MPG?

about 39,8 MPG
:)

kersh4w 10-22-2008 12:32 AM

yeah, ~40mpg.

1.5gallons/62miles

and they are going to offer this engine in the mazda3. 185hp/300lbs/ft of torque in a mazda3. that will be fun to drive.

nycgps 10-22-2008 07:49 AM

Too bad we have all these greedy corporates and politicians who just wont let diesel to get popular

Renesis07 10-22-2008 08:30 AM

I dont like the looks of it at all, reminds me of a solara.

bruce_van 10-22-2008 10:06 AM

40 MPG, sign me up. I was considering the Jetta TDI Sportwagon.

I'd much rather have ZOOM ZOOM, than das auto.

kvndoom 10-22-2008 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 2693825)
Too bad we have all these greedy corporates and politicians who just wont let diesel to get popular

Don't forget the American public who can't get the 80's Oldsmobiles out of their heads, 20 freaking years later.

I just want the Mazda3 with the 2.2 diesel to make it over here. One of my cars will have to go then, no doubt.

If Toyota and/or Honda roll out diesels, Mazda will follow. But I doubt they will be the first to test the waters.

EdwardsB 10-22-2008 10:16 AM

It would be nice to see some tax breaks for the noncommercial users of diesel fuel. Lowering the price (is it cheaper to produce than gasoline?) for the common motorist and leaving it at the current price for the tax on commercial commerce. Then diesel would really be the way to go.

zoom44 10-22-2008 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by kvndoom (Post 2693985)
Don't forget the American public who can't get the 80's Oldsmobiles out of their heads, 20 freaking years later.

I just want the Mazda3 with the 2.2 diesel to make it over here.

Exactly- in that first drive of the Mazda3 article the Mazda guy admitted the 2.2 diesel version outperforms the current MS3 :) they gotta bring it:)

bruce_van 10-22-2008 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by EdwardsB (Post 2693990)
It would be nice to see some tax breaks for the noncommercial users of diesel fuel. Lowering the price (is it cheaper to produce than gasoline?) for the common motorist and leaving it at the current price for the tax on commercial commerce. Then diesel would really be the way to go.


You actually can get a $1300 tax credit if you buy a new VW Jetta TDI. Says so on their website.

MattMPS 10-23-2008 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 2694002)
Exactly- in that first drive of the Mazda3 article the Mazda guy admitted the 2.2 diesel version outperforms the current MS3 :) they gotta bring it:)

i'm seriosly skeptical about that...

i've a MS6 and i've tried a bunch of diesel performance cars.....IMHO ms6 it's sligtly better than a 330d........which it's known for a "performance oil-burner"

big power diesels are different than a gasoline equivalent......numbers don't explain that at 100%

you must try....

Ever Hernandez 10-23-2008 12:44 AM

I thought Honda was working on diesel powerplants for the US.


Matt, I guess you're referring to lower rpm redlines and the cars not being responsive enough?

MattMPS 10-23-2008 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ever Hernandez (Post 2695415)

Matt, I guess you're referring to lower rpm redlines and the cars not being responsive enough?

every diesel can't go over 4500-5000 rpm (i think audi r10 its @ 5500 but with special fuel)

but torque curve falls down over 3000-3500 rpm, this is not good for sporty use...the car it's surely FAST but not so "fun to drive"

a 2.2 185hp diesel can match very well against a 2.5 NA with similar power and win for:

-mileage
-less use of the stick (better torque)...example: mountain use...
-and is' QUIETER at highway speeds (130-150 km/h) because it's a lot less revving at those speeds and there have been a lot of improvementes into "engine noise" sector

zoom44 10-23-2008 10:25 AM

i can only tell you what they wrote for now


However, the real surprise comes from the 2.2-litre diesel. Not only is this motor also exceptionally refined, it also has quite exceptional pace, especially in the compact 3. Very well matched with the ratios in the six-speed ‘box, the 2.2 had standout overtaking ability – always a good indication of real-world performance. Indeed, such is the engine’s mid-range muscle, Mazda engineers admitted that this model has superior performance to the current 3 MPS.



http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...w-mazda-3.aspx

MattMPS 10-23-2008 12:24 PM

zoom44..no problem you just post what it's wrote on magazines

into the complicated language of automotive industry this is the meaning IMHO:

"this (diesel) engine have more maximum torque yhan the 2.3 gasoline of speed3"

it's true: Mazda declares 400 nm for the top spec new diesel vs. 380 nm for ms3 euro spec.

But i can swear that DONT mean necessary best performances...torque it's not all.
:)

ASH8 10-23-2008 03:35 PM

John Carey (WHEELS MAG) has just written Nov 08 Edition, on his journey to Reykjavik for the Euro preview of the new Mazda 3.

He drove a 'Camo' Mazda 3 Turbo Diesel 2.2 (yes the same engine as the 6 TD).

His words...

'The engine, it's soon apparent, is a cracker. It's smooth and has usefully wide spread of boosted torque, something you can't say about all turbo diesels.
Most importantly this engine has exceptional muscle. It climbs hills as if they were not there and overtakes slow-moving cars with a satisfying surge.'
Spec.
136kw/400Nm European Market 3.
Although it is the same engine in the new TD Mazda 6.
The Australian version of the new 3 Diesel will have a detune
110kw and 360Nm.

This new diesel engine has been solely developed, designed and made by Mazda.

Ever Hernandez 10-23-2008 10:26 PM

^This is one of the reasons why I love Mazda. I really hope they can certify this engine for sale in the US in the near future and put it in the 6 and CX7.


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