New KF 2017 CX-5 and diesel official.
04-06-2018, 01:05 PM
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C'mon Mazda...you would make a killing with the CX-5 in Diesel in the USA right now. SUV + great MPG = $$$$
Build it Mazda, dammit!
Build it Mazda, dammit!
04-06-2018, 01:27 PM
#152
Smoking turbo yay
Consumer Warranty here is done by the States, has been in all States for past 40 years in Australia in all used cars yards only (all makes), or at new car Franchise Dealerships that sell brand new and used cars (all makes).
The policy and liability is covered by the Selling Dealer business as part of said business operational cost, so it is incumbent for the Used Car Manager to ONLY buy used cars they know are reliable and will not break down, or that any Repair costs are deducted from cars Trade in Value when a New Car is Purchase and the Trade in is scheduled.
IF any car is too old, too many miles, or under a set retail value the window vehicle sticker details list of known defects and that the car is not covered under any Used Car Warranty under the State Act, usually such cars retail for $14,999.00 or under.
Any new buyer of a Used Car can try and privately purchase a warranty policy for said car when it is excluded by selling dealer.
PRIVATELY Sold cars do not have any mandatory Used Car Warranty Policy by Law/Act, so it is Buyer Beware, and for that reason selling privately is usually always at a lower price than same car @ any Dealership.
Worth noting that even enthusiast cars here are usually kept Standard, Australia no longer has a large modding community like the US has, we used to, But owners/dealerships realized that any and all costs associated with so called performance or handling improvements hinders/restricts selling value some years later, basically Dealership and prospective buyers are not interested in heavily modified cars as they are seen as a liability.
Again they are seen as cars that have been thrashed, well used and or abused or altered too much which then can or could create issues for any Dealership who must warrant the car is retailed over $15k.
Used Car managers rather steer away from heavily modded/changed cars, the retail buyer also tend to give them a miss.
A standard well used 'as is' or 'as was' made Car Brand Model ALWAYS sells first here.
Well as a selling Mazda Dealer for Rotaries that has been in the business for 50 years does not know Rotaries, then who does?
I guess the difference between US and OZ is the brand loyalty and owner/customer retention.
Yes people change car brands here too, many times, but Mazda in Australia has the highest retention rate over all other car makes, which means they must be doing something right to keep Mazda owners coming back for more?
I would not call Australian car drivers better than US, that is a hard one to call.
The policy and liability is covered by the Selling Dealer business as part of said business operational cost, so it is incumbent for the Used Car Manager to ONLY buy used cars they know are reliable and will not break down, or that any Repair costs are deducted from cars Trade in Value when a New Car is Purchase and the Trade in is scheduled.
IF any car is too old, too many miles, or under a set retail value the window vehicle sticker details list of known defects and that the car is not covered under any Used Car Warranty under the State Act, usually such cars retail for $14,999.00 or under.
Any new buyer of a Used Car can try and privately purchase a warranty policy for said car when it is excluded by selling dealer.
PRIVATELY Sold cars do not have any mandatory Used Car Warranty Policy by Law/Act, so it is Buyer Beware, and for that reason selling privately is usually always at a lower price than same car @ any Dealership.
Worth noting that even enthusiast cars here are usually kept Standard, Australia no longer has a large modding community like the US has, we used to, But owners/dealerships realized that any and all costs associated with so called performance or handling improvements hinders/restricts selling value some years later, basically Dealership and prospective buyers are not interested in heavily modified cars as they are seen as a liability.
Again they are seen as cars that have been thrashed, well used and or abused or altered too much which then can or could create issues for any Dealership who must warrant the car is retailed over $15k.
Used Car managers rather steer away from heavily modded/changed cars, the retail buyer also tend to give them a miss.
A standard well used 'as is' or 'as was' made Car Brand Model ALWAYS sells first here.
Well as a selling Mazda Dealer for Rotaries that has been in the business for 50 years does not know Rotaries, then who does?
I guess the difference between US and OZ is the brand loyalty and owner/customer retention.
Yes people change car brands here too, many times, but Mazda in Australia has the highest retention rate over all other car makes, which means they must be doing something right to keep Mazda owners coming back for more?
I would not call Australian car drivers better than US, that is a hard one to call.
I am not into excessive modding, either, but it's hard to keep a car exactly stock, especially if it's a sports car.
Around here, no RX-8 would ask for over 15k anyway, even S2s. What's the resale value of the 8 like in Australia.
When I am talking about the drivers, I am not asking about the driving skills. I am talking about basic maintenance skills, like if they can check the oil level and fix a flat, that sort of thing. I know in Europe, you need to show how to fix a flat to pass the test. Not here in NA.
Remember, diesels may be better on fuel, but they cost more upfront. Diesel engines have to be constructed with more durable material to withstand the extra compression ratio it runs. They also have to use a lot of emission devices to cheat... Oops, I mean pass emissions. They also cost more to maintain, so whatever you are saving on the fuel, you spend on the maintenance.
My former boss has a gas Ram truck and he told me that the diesel ones are the higher trim ones and they are just not worth it for him. His truck has the cylinder deactivation on highway(which he drives a lot of), so the gas mileage is perfectly acceptable for him. Hopefully, the cylinder deactivation doesn't cause any problems in the long run. He also tows a lot, and the gas truck is still capable of towing.
And again, the diesel market in NA is never that great to start with, and with VW ruining the reputation, it will only be harder to sell diesels. Even EU is starting to take action to ban them, because it's not okay to make the entire country smell like soot.
Just wait for the Skyactiv-X, which will make the diesels obsolete.
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04-09-2018, 11:57 PM
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A few here were asking about the new 2018 Mazda 6 Turbo (GL) and it's AWD configuration (if available)...well I have been searching USA stocks and see no AWD at all, none, and I don't think it will be offered, and I really do not see why not, yes there is an extra cost, but I can not see the engineering reasons why not...
All up it would be a $2700 (max) extra cost, that is electronic Diff and wiring and ECU for AWD.
And the obvious changes in main Engine ECU/PCM and code, and GVC, BCM (Body Control Modules), DSC, etc, not huge cost changes.
Why I say this is because it is pretty simple as I did my GEPC parts and part number comparo..................like...
In the USA (fact) the AWD option is offered in the KF CX-5 2.5 litre which does not have a turboed engine.
In the USA the CX-9 2.5 Litre Turbo engine offers an AWD option and weights more than a fully loaded all new Mazda 6 Signature (top of range non AWD).
The interesting part is the non turbo CX-5 AWD uses the exact same rear Electronic Differential as the heavy Turbo CX-9, OEM Mazda Part Number
KA03-27-020, the CX-9 has a lot more torque and power too.
So what gives Mazda USA/ Mazda Australia you can not use the 'engineering excuse'.
Both countries get the CX-9 turbo with AWD and the new Mazda 6 Turbo with no AWD.
Interesting Australia and Europe get the Mazda 6 Wagon (old model and new one), but in the wagon it appears there is no Turbo engine available, ONLY 2.5l gas or 2.2l Diesel.
In Europe the Wagon has AWD KAT1-27-020A, but Australia misses out, I say only due to demand and extra retail pricing.
I seriously judge Mazda USA credibility as to why they have NEVER ventured into the 6 WAGON,
so many guys I have read in USA mags have repeatedly asked for the Wagon, but nothing.
Same for Mazda Australia, WHY no Mazda 6 AWD??..Europe has it for ages and it sells.
Homogenization and EPA approval for a USA 6 Wagon would be easy as it is basically the same as Sedan.
Remember the Wagon is already made in LH Drive.
Also in the USA, EU and AU get the Mazda CX-3 AWD P/n CA01-27-020.
AWD is ONLY available with the Skyactiv Automatic Transmission.
All up it would be a $2700 (max) extra cost, that is electronic Diff and wiring and ECU for AWD.
And the obvious changes in main Engine ECU/PCM and code, and GVC, BCM (Body Control Modules), DSC, etc, not huge cost changes.
Why I say this is because it is pretty simple as I did my GEPC parts and part number comparo..................like...
In the USA (fact) the AWD option is offered in the KF CX-5 2.5 litre which does not have a turboed engine.
In the USA the CX-9 2.5 Litre Turbo engine offers an AWD option and weights more than a fully loaded all new Mazda 6 Signature (top of range non AWD).
The interesting part is the non turbo CX-5 AWD uses the exact same rear Electronic Differential as the heavy Turbo CX-9, OEM Mazda Part Number
KA03-27-020, the CX-9 has a lot more torque and power too.
So what gives Mazda USA/ Mazda Australia you can not use the 'engineering excuse'.
Both countries get the CX-9 turbo with AWD and the new Mazda 6 Turbo with no AWD.
Interesting Australia and Europe get the Mazda 6 Wagon (old model and new one), but in the wagon it appears there is no Turbo engine available, ONLY 2.5l gas or 2.2l Diesel.
In Europe the Wagon has AWD KAT1-27-020A, but Australia misses out, I say only due to demand and extra retail pricing.
I seriously judge Mazda USA credibility as to why they have NEVER ventured into the 6 WAGON,
so many guys I have read in USA mags have repeatedly asked for the Wagon, but nothing.
Same for Mazda Australia, WHY no Mazda 6 AWD??..Europe has it for ages and it sells.
Homogenization and EPA approval for a USA 6 Wagon would be easy as it is basically the same as Sedan.
Remember the Wagon is already made in LH Drive.
Also in the USA, EU and AU get the Mazda CX-3 AWD P/n CA01-27-020.
AWD is ONLY available with the Skyactiv Automatic Transmission.
04-10-2018, 12:22 AM
#154
The AWD version of mazda 6 Wagon (diesel) here in EU have 10 liter less tank capacity (50L).
I think that this one is the most biggest issue for a gasoline turbo AWD 6.
I think that this one is the most biggest issue for a gasoline turbo AWD 6.
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04-10-2018, 11:16 AM
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Astonishing really as that was 2 generations of 6 ago and 10 or more years now since it was last here. A neighbor of ours still has one. I really hope the reason for not bringing the current one is they already tried it 15 years ago(launched in 2003).
edit- just checked and a wagon 6 hasnt been available in the US since 2006 . so it was available or 2 years when it was still very much a sedan market. it's definitely a wagon and crossover market now
side note- The Mazda Protege5 is big around here. there are 4 in my neighborhood plus a couple others i see on the road on a regular basis and I saw two different white ones in downtown Portland last Thursday. blue, red, white and yellow all represented. When i saw the ones on Friday i said to the people who were with me that it's like someone found a stash of them, cleaned them up and sold them all at once. they are all very clean/new/fresh looking.
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04-10-2018, 12:56 PM
#156
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^Well, Honda had the Crosstour and that didn't do that well, either, and that was more recent.
I do like Protege5, too. Sometimes I see them being driven around by younger people. There were also other wagons, some very old ones(Volvo 850 wagon, the old Accord wagon and occasionally even the Corolla wagon) and new ones(VW Golf Sportswagen), but still not nearly as often as the abundance of SUVs.
I do like Protege5, too. Sometimes I see them being driven around by younger people. There were also other wagons, some very old ones(Volvo 850 wagon, the old Accord wagon and occasionally even the Corolla wagon) and new ones(VW Golf Sportswagen), but still not nearly as often as the abundance of SUVs.
04-11-2018, 01:59 AM
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Yep for the USA the 2003 MY GG Mazda 6 wagon ended with the 2006 MY as the last ever Wagon for US.
Since then Generations GH, GJ, and latest GL all had Wagons, except the GH units made in the USA @ Flat Rock only made in a Sedan body, but this model was also local only and specific larger size and not exported. (US made version was bigger than the Japan made/exported GH)
Then as we know Mazda said bye bye to Ford and packed up and moved out of the Flat Rock plant leaving it to Ford.
Today, even in Australia the wagon is not a huge seller, but sells enough to keep them here, as I have said it is not a tall order and a huge cost to import. There have been many many occasions where Brand researching of a new product has not been accurate and then gone on to exceed sales forecasts.
An oldie comes to memory , the original Mazda 323 (GLC) was meant to be FWD , but Mazda was not happy with the engineering prototypes and kept it Rear Wheel Drive when everyone else was going FWD.
That model was a HUGE seller and in fact saved Mazda after the oil crisis worldwide, which dragged on for years in the mid to late 70's, the car game was really hard then.
Why not bring out an AWD Mazda 6 Wagon, it will be expensive, but would sell well IMO.
Since then Generations GH, GJ, and latest GL all had Wagons, except the GH units made in the USA @ Flat Rock only made in a Sedan body, but this model was also local only and specific larger size and not exported. (US made version was bigger than the Japan made/exported GH)
Then as we know Mazda said bye bye to Ford and packed up and moved out of the Flat Rock plant leaving it to Ford.
Today, even in Australia the wagon is not a huge seller, but sells enough to keep them here, as I have said it is not a tall order and a huge cost to import. There have been many many occasions where Brand researching of a new product has not been accurate and then gone on to exceed sales forecasts.
An oldie comes to memory , the original Mazda 323 (GLC) was meant to be FWD , but Mazda was not happy with the engineering prototypes and kept it Rear Wheel Drive when everyone else was going FWD.
That model was a HUGE seller and in fact saved Mazda after the oil crisis worldwide, which dragged on for years in the mid to late 70's, the car game was really hard then.
Why not bring out an AWD Mazda 6 Wagon, it will be expensive, but would sell well IMO.
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04-18-2018, 12:40 PM
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so is the Diesel just a pipe dream?
Mazda has gone completely SILENT on it and we havne't had an update from them on it in a while.
HELL, those of us who signed up on their website for "updates on the upcoming model" have never received a single email about it and the URL still points towards a '2017 CX-5 Diesel'
Not looking good.
We can argue / discuss all day long whether diesel is viable long term, whether it's a good move to the US, etc but the fact remains Mazda announced it, there's part numbers up on the dealer databases but we havne't heard anything about it.
Still in EPA / CARB testing? I can't imagine it's actually taking that long seeing as how Hyundai and Chevy have both released diesels this year.
Are we taking bets as to whether we ever see this car come out?
Mazda has gone completely SILENT on it and we havne't had an update from them on it in a while.
HELL, those of us who signed up on their website for "updates on the upcoming model" have never received a single email about it and the URL still points towards a '2017 CX-5 Diesel'
Not looking good.
We can argue / discuss all day long whether diesel is viable long term, whether it's a good move to the US, etc but the fact remains Mazda announced it, there's part numbers up on the dealer databases but we havne't heard anything about it.
Still in EPA / CARB testing? I can't imagine it's actually taking that long seeing as how Hyundai and Chevy have both released diesels this year.
Are we taking bets as to whether we ever see this car come out?
04-18-2018, 01:56 PM
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I suppose diesels can be feasible for larger vehicles like trucks and SUVs, but even a lot of trucks I see are gas trucks. Diesel models are too expensive.
And if they want diesel to have a future, then they need to jail those ******* clowns at VW. Otherwise, I am not betting on diesels.
04-18-2018, 02:11 PM
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I think diesels are still in the works for Mazda on the global scale, I just wonder if theyr'e rethinking their plan to introduce them here.
unknown: I think the SkyActiv X will be great for Mazda but the diesel will still be a better option for the bigger / heavier SUV's that Mazda is building. The X will have tremendous efficiency but will it deliver the powerband needed for the SUV?
04-18-2018, 02:27 PM
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no mention of Mazda North America in the article.
I think diesels are still in the works for Mazda on the global scale, I just wonder if theyr'e rethinking their plan to introduce them here.
unknown: I think the SkyActiv X will be great for Mazda but the diesel will still be a better option for the bigger / heavier SUV's that Mazda is building. The X will have tremendous efficiency but will it deliver the powerband needed for the SUV?
I think diesels are still in the works for Mazda on the global scale, I just wonder if theyr'e rethinking their plan to introduce them here.
unknown: I think the SkyActiv X will be great for Mazda but the diesel will still be a better option for the bigger / heavier SUV's that Mazda is building. The X will have tremendous efficiency but will it deliver the powerband needed for the SUV?
No clear word about midsize or larger sedan. (vision coupe derived).
I think that mazda will build a larger/more powerful diesel in the future (rumored 6 cyl diesel). Too much words about how cool is diesel in this interview ,especially in EU
04-18-2018, 04:59 PM
#163
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no mention of Mazda North America in the article.
I think diesels are still in the works for Mazda on the global scale, I just wonder if theyr'e rethinking their plan to introduce them here.
unknown: I think the SkyActiv X will be great for Mazda but the diesel will still be a better option for the bigger / heavier SUV's that Mazda is building. The X will have tremendous efficiency but will it deliver the powerband needed for the SUV?
I think diesels are still in the works for Mazda on the global scale, I just wonder if theyr'e rethinking their plan to introduce them here.
unknown: I think the SkyActiv X will be great for Mazda but the diesel will still be a better option for the bigger / heavier SUV's that Mazda is building. The X will have tremendous efficiency but will it deliver the powerband needed for the SUV?
Are there any specs for the Skyactiv-X engine? I would think it can produce similar torque to a diesel engine as it shares some characteristics.
The guy speaks for Mazda Europe mainly.
No clear word about midsize or larger sedan. (vision coupe derived).
I think that mazda will build a larger/more powerful diesel in the future (rumored 6 cyl diesel). Too much words about how cool is diesel in this interview ,especially in EU
No clear word about midsize or larger sedan. (vision coupe derived).
I think that mazda will build a larger/more powerful diesel in the future (rumored 6 cyl diesel). Too much words about how cool is diesel in this interview ,especially in EU
Wouldn't make much sense to build any passenger vehicles with diesel engines at this point IMO.
04-18-2018, 06:52 PM
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04-18-2018, 09:33 PM
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Whoa...
04-19-2018, 12:07 AM
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Depends on Co2 targets.If EU want to maintain Co2 reduction targets , diesel can't be banned, especially on large veichles (from Cx-5 size and up).
european automakers are doing lobbying in Brussels on this topic (just my 2 cents).
For sure the overall market share of diesel in EU will decrease in future years.
04-19-2018, 11:58 AM
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04-20-2018, 10:17 AM
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i think there are some imprecisions in the article. the latest iteration of 2.2 SA diesel is the version launched with new 2018 Euro spec Mazda 6 in Geneva in March.
it have 181 PS of power and SCR (absolutely important add-on for US limits compliance)
Citation from press release
SKYACTIV-D 2.2 (Fuel consumption: 5,4-4,4 l/100km, CO2 emissions: 142 - 117 g/km) adopts Rapid Multi-stage combustion. A new design for the egg-shaped pistons combines with ultra-high-response multi-hole piezo injectors to increase combustion efficiency.
Sodium-filled exhaust valves enhance heat transfer and coolant control valves improve engine warm-up efficiency for improved real-world fuel economy.
A new, urea Selective Catalytic Reductions (SCR) system significantly reduces NOx emissions.
A new two-stage, twin turbocharger with variable turbine geometry increases maximum output from 129 to 135 kW, and maximum torque from 420 to 445 Nm.
High precision DE Boost Control over torque response in reaction to accelerator pedal operation offers performance that more closely matches the driver's intentions.
Evolutions to both the Natural Sound Smoother and Natural Sound Frequency Control systems deliver an even quieter drive with a more pleasing engine note.
end citation
I suspect that Mazda have waited this version of 2.2 diesel to start the sales in US, probably for to be sure that emissions level are under the US limits in every condition (NOx in first)
04-20-2018, 10:51 AM
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has anyone actually read the CARB document completely?
it says there are deficiencies and they got a CONDITIONAL certification that can be revoked if the deficiencies aren't addressed. Or am I not reading it right?
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
The listed vehicle models are conditionally certified in accordance with 13 CCR Section 1968.2(k) (deficiency and fines
provisions for certification of malfunction and diagnostic system) because the on-board diagnostic II (OBD) system of
the listed vehicle models have been determined to have three deficiencies. These vehicle models are approved
subject to the manufacturer paying a fine of $25 per vehicle for the third deficiency for vehicles in the listed test group
that are produced and delivered for sale in California.
On a quarterly basis, the manufacturer shall submit to the California Air Resources Board reports of the number of
vehicles produced and delivered for sale in California and pay the full fine owed for that quarter pursuant to this
conditional certification. Payment shall be made payable to the State Treasurer for deposit in the Air Pollution Control
Fund no later than thirty (30) days after the end of each calendar quarter during the 2018 model-year production
period. Failure to pay the quarterly fine, in full, in the time provided, may be cause for the Executive Officer to rescind
this conditional certification, effective from the start of the quarter in question, in which case all vehicles covered under
this conditional certification for that quarter and all future quarters would be deemed uncertified and subject to a civil
penalty of up to $37,500 per violation per vehicle pursuant to HSC Section 43154.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
Per Mazda's request for conditional OBD II approval and conditional Executive Order (EO) approval (Mazda's
Request) dated March 27, 2018, the listed vehicle models are certified conditionally on Mazda's completion of OBD II
testing and submission of test results to CARS with in 180 days after the date of the conditional EO. In addition, Mazda
shall submit a running change request within 180 days after the date of the conditional EO for CARS approval for
calibration updates described in Mazda's Request and shall implement the running change within four weeks of
CARB's approval of the running change request. Mazda shall also submit a voluntary recall plan for CARB's approval
to remedy production vehicles that do not have the CARS-approved updated calibrations. Failure to submit the
required data, information, running change or voluntary recall plan request by the agreed upon dates, or failure of the
submitted data, information, or running change or voluntary recall plan to demonstrate compliance with the emission
standards, OBD II requirements, or improved emission control system performance, shall be cause for the Executive
Officer to revoke the conditional EO ab initio; vehicles sold or introduced into commerce under the revoked conditional
EO shall be deemed uncertified and subject to a civil penalty of up to $37,500 per violation per vehicle pursuant to
HSC Section 43154.
it says there are deficiencies and they got a CONDITIONAL certification that can be revoked if the deficiencies aren't addressed. Or am I not reading it right?
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
The listed vehicle models are conditionally certified in accordance with 13 CCR Section 1968.2(k) (deficiency and fines
provisions for certification of malfunction and diagnostic system) because the on-board diagnostic II (OBD) system of
the listed vehicle models have been determined to have three deficiencies. These vehicle models are approved
subject to the manufacturer paying a fine of $25 per vehicle for the third deficiency for vehicles in the listed test group
that are produced and delivered for sale in California.
On a quarterly basis, the manufacturer shall submit to the California Air Resources Board reports of the number of
vehicles produced and delivered for sale in California and pay the full fine owed for that quarter pursuant to this
conditional certification. Payment shall be made payable to the State Treasurer for deposit in the Air Pollution Control
Fund no later than thirty (30) days after the end of each calendar quarter during the 2018 model-year production
period. Failure to pay the quarterly fine, in full, in the time provided, may be cause for the Executive Officer to rescind
this conditional certification, effective from the start of the quarter in question, in which case all vehicles covered under
this conditional certification for that quarter and all future quarters would be deemed uncertified and subject to a civil
penalty of up to $37,500 per violation per vehicle pursuant to HSC Section 43154.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
Per Mazda's request for conditional OBD II approval and conditional Executive Order (EO) approval (Mazda's
Request) dated March 27, 2018, the listed vehicle models are certified conditionally on Mazda's completion of OBD II
testing and submission of test results to CARS with in 180 days after the date of the conditional EO. In addition, Mazda
shall submit a running change request within 180 days after the date of the conditional EO for CARS approval for
calibration updates described in Mazda's Request and shall implement the running change within four weeks of
CARB's approval of the running change request. Mazda shall also submit a voluntary recall plan for CARB's approval
to remedy production vehicles that do not have the CARS-approved updated calibrations. Failure to submit the
required data, information, running change or voluntary recall plan request by the agreed upon dates, or failure of the
submitted data, information, or running change or voluntary recall plan to demonstrate compliance with the emission
standards, OBD II requirements, or improved emission control system performance, shall be cause for the Executive
Officer to revoke the conditional EO ab initio; vehicles sold or introduced into commerce under the revoked conditional
EO shall be deemed uncertified and subject to a civil penalty of up to $37,500 per violation per vehicle pursuant to
HSC Section 43154.
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04-20-2018, 11:02 AM
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Looks like they needed an exception for some OBD II compliance?
04-20-2018, 11:18 AM
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thats just normal legalese. What it means is that Mazda wants to launch the car at a certain time. The carb board wants some obdii changes. Mazda will make the changes but doesnt want that to hold back it's launch window, so California said "ok as long as you promise to have the changes made before a certain date or you have to recall them to get it done"
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04-20-2018, 11:22 AM
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if memory serves me right, this is the furthest Mazda has ever gotten in lauching the Diesel here in the states, correct?
I dont' remember them getting CARB certification last time they planned to have the CX-5 diesel.
I dont' remember them getting CARB certification last time they planned to have the CX-5 diesel.
04-23-2018, 11:22 AM
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04-23-2018, 07:56 PM
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All old news 
04-25-2018, 09:39 PM
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Can It Be? Mazda's Long-awaited CX-5 Diesel Gets California Green Light - The Truth About Cars
the part that caught my attention:
I get that they'd want the CARB certification first since that's the tougher of the two but to not have begun EPA certification at all? After all this time?
I have no idea how long it takes to get through the EPA, any educated guesses?
the part that caught my attention:
More likely, though, the automaker wants a nationwide launch, in which case it first needs to get the green light from the EPA. That certification process has reportedly not yet begun, and Mazda isn’t able to provide an educated guess on when we’ll finally get our hands on what promises to be a very fuel efficient crossover.
I have no idea how long it takes to get through the EPA, any educated guesses?
