ASH8

Heard nothing, if it is not launched soon you wiill just about lose a motel year, don't even know if it has landed in US, nothing out of Japan,

Jedi54

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yeah, I know they've used NY before so this rumor caught my attention
this is my concern.
I hope they don't announce it in NY but we won't see it until the end of the year. As it is people are upset as it was supposed to be here "fall of 2017"
*looks at calendar*
yeahhhhh, about that one Mazda...

neit_jnf

I just had a thought (shocking I know)

what if Mazda is waiting for Trump's EPA reversal with looser emissions and mpg targets to actually launch the diesels?

Jedi54

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doubt it, most other companies are pushing out their Diesels with the current standards.
FFS, even Hyundai beat them to market with a diesel.

I hate to admit it but I'm starting to lose faith that we'll see this car in the US.

Jedi54

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we're not the only ones wondering where the elusive CX-5 Diesel is:
Mazda CX-5 diesel: engine still MIA in compact crossover utility vehicle

neit_jnf

hmmm...

news/2019-mazda-cx-5-gets-190-hp-diesel-and-new-skyactiv-technology-in-japan

Jedi54

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damn it Mazda, you're really pissing me off.

ASH8

I seriously wonder WHY Mazda are bothering with this, IF the Skyactiv X gives diesel like torque then it is a non starter and believe me you do not want Urea exhaust treatment, we had it for a while in the CX-7 Diesel (different engine) and it is/was a nightmare.

Jedi54

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I think it's becuase there's still a small segment of car buyers who prefer diesel.
yes, it's a small pool of customers but there's less players competing for those dollars and Mazda sees an opportunity there.

While this is is good plan, their execution has been TERRIBLE becuase as I said before, everyone is beating them to those waiting customers (think all the VW's that were bought back)
At this rate, if / when the CX-5 diesel comes out, most of those customers will have already moved on to other diesels (hyundai, chevy, ford, etc) and will no longer be in the market for a car.
Mazda will miss out. Again.

ASH8

BTW, Now SA Diesel Turbos (Korean Made) are falling over (loose internal nut).

zoom44

ditto. And now that I mention it Im kinda pissed at them for getting "fans" to try out all the new cars in Seattle and then bringing them to New York. HELLO Im right down the road in Portland. Have any of those fans spent the time I have over the last 15 or so years or promoted the brand half as much as me to other people? Any of them gone around the internet with the #JustBuilditMazda tag promoting the new 2nd gen Kodo? Hell when they introduced the 1st gen Kodo I made my own t-shirt and wore it to 7stock and other events. Never have "expected" anything in return except exciting cars but I do feel sorta left out

ASH8

You're a has been Charlie, Mazda are not interested in Rotor HEADS anymore...
WE are a luxury they can not afford anymore..
We are only the most loyal Automotive Brand Repeat CUSTOMERS in the industry, that is a fact.



But did I tell you I did an exercise a few weeks ago at my local Mazda Dealer and the car salesman who I have known for decades...
Anyway, I asked about Trading in both my NC and S2 (both @ 60,000 KMs or 36K Miles each) on the new Turbo Mazda 6, both cars are in pristine condition (well almost and kept in fully sealed carports out of all weather) to be told they would love to take the MX-5 but are not interested in my RX-8, was told to sell it privately.!!! WHAT!...I was offended and disgusted, they will never see my business again, in fact I feel like telling Mazda Australia.
You can sell the product (RX-8) but not back it up...why would anyone buy any future RX-??
And yeah, I did expect more, my family and late father only bought about 30 brand new Mazda's in the past 49 years.

UnknownJinX

I am not surprised or offended, really. If I am the dealer, I would have said the same thing. It's the best for both parties.

Remember, dealers are independent businesses and have to think like one. This has nothing to do with Mazda Co., so don't put the blame on them. It's not like they can control the resale values or the demand of the used market. If they take your 8 in, it will be a burden for them to sell it, let alone for a good price. Expect them to offer you a potato for your RX-8 if you trade it in. May as well sell it to someone who will appreciate the car for a much better price.

I see this one Sport AT S2 that has been on the local Craigslist for forever now. It's a dealer ad and it's on their own inventory webpage as well, so it's unlikely they just forgot about it. It has probably been there for at least good 8 months now.

The NC Miata actually has much better resale values than an S2 and is probably much easier to sell. Sad but true. The reputation has been forever fucked and there is little you can do to save it, other than correcting people as you encounter them.

Also, I should add that loyalty doesn't mean much to any car manufacturers or dealerships. To be honest, I didn't even pay much attention to Mazda before I learned about the rotary engine. If they don't put out a rotary car in the future(which looks brim), I am perfectly okay with buying something else.

ASH8

OMG, Really..You are telling me Dealers are independent businesses. no **** Sherlock , only worked most of my life in/for them...really don't need a lecture.

Jedi54

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oh c'mon Ash stop being so dramatic.
the fact that a dealership didn't want to buy a car that doesn't sell well shouldn't come as a surprise.

hornbm

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sooo uhhh hey.... how about the 2.5T in the cx-5? That would be cool.

Jedi54

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that would be an AWESOME choice for the CX-5. Sure the fuel economy will suffer a bit and the price would creep up but man would that be a fun little Crossover to drive.

UnknownJinX

So why are you complaining about Mazda?

Besides, car enthusiasts make up a very small number of car buyer. Of course they will ignore us.

Ford has the Ford Edge ST now. We will see how that goes.

neit_jnf

there's probably very little or no market for it

Subaru ditched the XT Turbo Forester for a reason

UnknownJinX

Probably, unless they step up and have a luxury version of the CX-5 that competes with MDX and X3.

Btw, diesel is a lost cause in passenger cars anyway. North Americans never really gave a crap about diesels, while Europeans are taking actions to ban them now. You can thank VW for gassing those monkeys and humans, which just sealed the nails on the coffin.

ASH8

FFS, over your heads again...

I have no intention in selling either of my cars, I wanted to see what the reaction was in my Australian Dealership where I worked.. I really don't want a big Mazda 6.

In this country majority of Used cars are traded at new car dealerships, fact.

UnknownJinX

Yeah, I get that.

I just don't understand why you are blaming Mazda for not "backing up their products."

ASH8

Clearly a difference between what the industry does in US to Mazda dealers down under, the Brand here "Builds Loyalty" both ways by backing product for the customer/owner.

Only reason why a Mazda Dealer here wont buy-back a pristine RX-8 is because they don't trust it to be reliable (engine) under our mandatory 3 month Used Car Warranty and or it just wont sell, cant be any other reason....as I see it they don't want to 'back the product' they sell as they are **** scared of an engine failure, that is all.

Every used car sold here has to have a full warranty under law if less than 15 years old and less than 115,000 KMs for 3 month period.

Mazda the company, also has a separate warranty policy for Mazda used cars IF the new buyer wants to pay for it over and above the mandatory 3 month one IF the car ticks all the boxes, if the Dealer does not trade in car, obviously there is no extra Mazda Used Warranty.
So the Dealer is not backing the product.

Naturally it is a business decision, knowing the company and staff I will back my car lasting longer than 3 months for any buyer.

UnknownJinX

Thanks for explaining the cultural difference.

Yep, loyalty doesn't mean much here in North America. You can buy multiple cars from the same dealer and some of them can still treat you like dirt. There might be good dealers out there, but in general, this is what happens.

At the same time, I don't think blind loyalty is necessarily a good thing when it comes to choosing a business. It then just means they don't have to improve. Like, if someone really wants AA/CP, how am I supposed to recommend Mazda vehicles? It also limits your choice for some great vehicles from other brands out there.

It's fine to have preferences. I usually recommend Hondas and Mazdas, while some of my friends are Volvo fans, but we are also open to other vehicles options if they are attractive enough.

Used warranty is not mandatory in North America. Sometimes, dealers can offer them as a courtesy of sorts. When I bought my 08 Accord Coupe V6 from the dealer, they gave me a card that says that if the car has any mechanical problems in the first 2 weeks of purchase, they fix it for free, or they turn the price into in-store credit for another car.

Not that it matters anyway now. The last 2 cars(a 99 Corolla 5-speed and my 8) I bought were both from private sellers. Does the warranty apply to private sales in Australia, BTW?

I would think that if the dealer knows about rotaries, they could totally just test the compression before they buy from you, replace the weak points and do just fine with the legally required warranty. The tricky part will be having people being interested in them in the first place.

Also, are average Australian drivers smarter than North American drivers when it comes to simple maintenance? Last time I checked, less than half of the population here knows how to check oil, and our cars consume oil on purpose. You can see how well that ends.

ASH8

Consumer Warranty here is done by the States, has been in all States for past 40 years in Australia in all used cars yards only (all makes), or at new car Franchise Dealerships that sell brand new and used cars (all makes).

The policy and liability is covered by the Selling Dealer business as part of said business operational cost, so it is incumbent for the Used Car Manager to ONLY buy used cars they know are reliable and will not break down, or that any Repair costs are deducted from cars Trade in Value when a New Car is Purchase and the Trade in is scheduled.

IF any car is too old, too many miles, or under a set retail value the window vehicle sticker details list of known defects and that the car is not covered under any Used Car Warranty under the State Act, usually such cars retail for $14,999.00 or under.
Any new buyer of a Used Car can try and privately purchase a warranty policy for said car when it is excluded by selling dealer.

PRIVATELY Sold cars do not have any mandatory Used Car Warranty Policy by Law/Act, so it is Buyer Beware, and for that reason selling privately is usually always at a lower price than same car @ any Dealership.

Worth noting that even enthusiast cars here are usually kept Standard, Australia no longer has a large modding community like the US has, we used to, But owners/dealerships realized that any and all costs associated with so called performance or handling improvements hinders/restricts selling value some years later, basically Dealership and prospective buyers are not interested in heavily modified cars as they are seen as a liability.

Again they are seen as cars that have been thrashed, well used and or abused or altered too much which then can or could create issues for any Dealership who must warrant the car is retailed over $15k.
Used Car managers rather steer away from heavily modded/changed cars, the retail buyer also tend to give them a miss.

A standard well used 'as is' or 'as was' made Car Brand Model ALWAYS sells first here.

Well as a selling Mazda Dealer for Rotaries that has been in the business for 50 years does not know Rotaries, then who does?
I guess the difference between US and OZ is the brand loyalty and owner/customer retention.

Yes people change car brands here too, many times, but Mazda in Australia has the highest retention rate over all other car makes, which means they must be doing something right to keep Mazda owners coming back for more?

I would not call Australian car drivers better than US, that is a hard one to call.