I see this thread is still cancer... :yumyum:

The Big C (C=cars)

If that's a reasonable course of action legally the question then becomes whether or not they can sell enough cars to make a profit on the R&D for the last decade.

Remember 2007 when the 16x was introduced at the Tokyo Auto Show (and then never seen again)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d9f711d...returning.html

more conjecture for the rant box!

https://media.tenor.co/images/544514...752857d53c/raw

The original source, three links deep, is an article from Australian advertising and marketing site carsguide.au titled "Mazda confirms electric car plans for 2019".

We all know how reliable Australian automotive clickbait "journalists" are... :rolleyes: ;)

Mazda confirms electric car plans for 2019 - Car News | CarsGuide

Mazda just threw a little more gas on the fire. :D

sploosh

Those marketers know how to create a buzz, that is for sure.

Still no engine in it.... no pictures, not there, end of story!!

the second theres a rotary engine in it gwilliams will have one parked next to his vast collection of rotary cars including his 787b and madbull. he will drive the rx vision one million miles from japan to nj

The Furai was cool too.

fixed

You want to help the future of the car - please make a comment on the proposed EPA tightening of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. The 30-day comment period has started and the EPA wants to speed up enactment of the legislation prior to Trump's inauguration. This not only affects the RX-Vision but reliability and power of cars of the near future. If the forced reduction in ZDDP (zinc) levels for engine wear didn't get your goat - perhaps the RX-vision reality will. Go to: https://www.epa.gov/dockets/commenting-epa-dockets to make your comments heard.

BTW the RX-8 reliability wouldn't have been an issue if (A) the EPA had tightened environmental standards so drastically and (B) IMO Ford hadn't rushed Mazda into the launch.

The Ford excuse is a cop out and just rumors.

Drop-dead sexy, IMHO. :Drooling_

I had a day of mourning when I learned its fate. :tear:

All hopes be dashed:
Mazda RX-9 ? CEO Kills Hope for RX-7, RX-8 Rotary Successor

There's a difference between saying that in the short term, a piston engine may suffice vs. the form a rotary would have to take to meet regulations now. He said they're looking at tech that'll allow them to operate long-term with a rotary powerplant, which suggests there may be more R&D to do. Doesn't suggest whether they're doing it or not.

Also, the article is missing the word "not":

Well edited! Definitely gives me confidence in the rest of the article.

Also, this really rubbed me the wrong way:
This is compared to an electric vehicle with a rotary hybrid recharging system. This may well be true, a Miata with pistons may well be > a Miata with a hybrid. Probably < a Miata with full electric. The way the article is written, the quote struck me as being implied about pure rotary vs. pure piston (the writer didn't do a thorough enough job changing topics). From the perspective of pure rotary vs. piston, I believe many of us would agree that it's bunk.

Seriously, R&T? Can't write clearly?

Maybe it's better to check the original source: http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...-move-upmarket

The relevant parts:

Actually, I'm not sure that the last question is rotary-related at all. It may refer to a Mazdaspeed 6, for example. Or a Mazdaspeed Cx-something.

Honestly in this interview I don't see anything more (or less) than was said by Fujiwara a few weeks ago. He actually confirmed that the rotary range extender would come in 2019. And the answer to the first question is the standard "I can't/don't want to give any specific info" answer.

As in: "we can neither confirm nor deny that there's a new rotary engined sports car coming" ;)

It seems pretty definitive to me:

They don't have any plans to produce a sports car larger than the MX-5 at the moment. They are still trying to figure out if/how a rotary can be more than a limited production run.

This sounds reasonable. Automakers like to double-dip on as much technology as possible. It probably too expensive to have an engine that can only be used in a single low-volume product.

Rotary Miata confirmed! :yelrotflm

You must have received an A in Logic. Yes no large rotary plans + no car bigger than a Miata = rotary Miata.

TTAC's title for the article is a little less ambiguous:

Mazda CEO Kills All RX-9 Rotary Hopes With One Word: 'No'

Now I know why gwilliams6 weaseled out of his bet: Kogai-san whispered "No." to him in his sleep... :yelrotflm

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Nah, he'll just treat it as opened-ended prediction and keep claiming that Mazda will produce another RX-12345678 with only a rotary engine for power until he dies.

"It's not that they won't, it's that they haven't YET."
(Goalposts are very mobile for some people.).

:lol: But so and so, knows so and so from Mazda, and he said there will definitely be a rotary sports car.