Mazda RX-VISION Concepts
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preppie i aint no tree hugger but im talking about the batteries. read an article about the mining of materials for them last month but again as long as the d bags driving prius have better feelz. im not saying the super hybrid cars are bad in any way but any of the hybrid cars out now i could afford suck *****. rotary range extender is not a rotary powered car
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rx9 owners be all like
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It will be a proof of concept maybe but no hybrid buyer will buy anything rotary versus the competitions piston engine hybrids.
Mazda should focus on a sports car and forget the rotary. Reliability, Fuel economy, and performance are a realistic goal, but not with a rotary.
Mazda should focus on a sports car and forget the rotary. Reliability, Fuel economy, and performance are a realistic goal, but not with a rotary.
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It will be a proof of concept maybe but no hybrid buyer will buy anything rotary versus the competitions piston engine hybrids.
Mazda should focus on a sports car and forget the rotary. Reliability, Fuel economy, and performance are a realistic goal, but not with a rotary.
Mazda should focus on a sports car and forget the rotary. Reliability, Fuel economy, and performance are a realistic goal, but not with a rotary.
I agree and think that continued rotary development is a fool's errand.
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The funniest part is that all the articles reference "RX-9" which is just made up by these blogs. The RX-9 was a four door turd made by Mazda in the 70's, I highly doubt they will re use the name on Halo car.
But what is even funnier is all the guys with "friends" at Mazda who swore a rotary powered sports car was coming soon and this guy just said what we have thought all along.
But what is even funnier is all the guys with "friends" at Mazda who swore a rotary powered sports car was coming soon and this guy just said what we have thought all along.
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I prefer electrical faeries being the primary internal power transfer medium. Much more efficient and flexible.
And, honestly, I think the whole "manual transmissions are going extinct" hysteria is, well, hysterical. I'm sure people said similar things about horse-drawn carriages but the world is a better place without them. Also, I have sciatica and live in a big city so clutch pedals suck.
That said, as a small volume vehicle (from a small volume mfr) Mazda will probably just license the technology from another company. That or stick with their existing slushbox technology. Automagics have come a long way and many mainstream manufacturers are moving away from DCTs again.
And, honestly, I think the whole "manual transmissions are going extinct" hysteria is, well, hysterical. I'm sure people said similar things about horse-drawn carriages but the world is a better place without them. Also, I have sciatica and live in a big city so clutch pedals suck.
That said, as a small volume vehicle (from a small volume mfr) Mazda will probably just license the technology from another company. That or stick with their existing slushbox technology. Automagics have come a long way and many mainstream manufacturers are moving away from DCTs again.
Dodge charges a grand extra for the MT Challengers, and the MT sales aren't bad.
MINI Coopers sell about 30% MT models, while half of MX-5s sold are MT. When I went to the local Mazda dealership, there are tons of MX-5 with a stick shift.
Yeah, everyone understands that MT is less efficient nowadays and can be a pain in the traffic, but I still want it. It sounds unreasonable, but how do you reasonably explain things like joy and fun? You can't. MT is still far from dead.
In order to keep the revs high in the new rotary, I highly doubt a torque converter can work. After a certain RPM, torque converters just generates more heat than power.
What's the alternative, just flushing 50+ years of R&D down the drain?
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I agree with this guy:
I'm under the impression that all of these patents are actually dead ends, in the sense that none of these will see production. This is based on the fact that patents describing features actually found in the Renesis showed up basically as the car was being delivered to the final customers.
Since we're still many months (years?) away from that moment for the new car, I can only assume that the reason to patent something now is that no further development of that thing is expected, so better patent it before anyone else may stumble on it and use it.
Since we're still many months (years?) away from that moment for the new car, I can only assume that the reason to patent something now is that no further development of that thing is expected, so better patent it before anyone else may stumble on it and use it.
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Gotta know when to fold. That said, your apparent characterization of that possibility is flawed. It's not like they didn't make money off of most of that R&D already.
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Honda claimed that they listened to the "Save the MT" crowd. I don't care if that's true or not, but I think I will give Honda some respect just because they are keeping the MT.
MINI "manual up" ads: Mini Sticks Up for the Stick in Manual-Transmission Ads ? Adweek
Even with the 5% MT sales, that's not a small number of people. If they stop making MT in North America, I'd actually look into how to import cars from Europe, where MT is still thriving.
There are always ways.
Don't they only engage when you are going at a constant speed?
Lock up clutches are not that new, and yet AT RX-8 still have a lower redline due to the torque converter.
Here, it sounds like some people are saying it's the time for the rotaries to end... which is kinda sad. We will see what happens.
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I'm sure if there were a way to make it better Mazda would have announced it, or it would have leaked out by now.
I think people would live with it's other flaws if it were able to meet the modern emission standards.
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Mazda still working on rotary engine; needs more money
Mazda still working on rotary engine; needs more money
“At that time, last two years, I expected better from the business. Unfortunately our business has not so rapidly increased, therefore we need more time to do that.
“We have twice had bad experience for rotary engines for our financial situation, therefore we have to carefully consider and carefully decide how to do that. Some of the stakeholders and shareholders cannot allow it at this moment. Therefore, if we can get more robust business structure, I can explain it, I can get approval. If it’s needed.”
Mazda still working on rotary engine; needs more money
“At that time, last two years, I expected better from the business. Unfortunately our business has not so rapidly increased, therefore we need more time to do that.
“We have twice had bad experience for rotary engines for our financial situation, therefore we have to carefully consider and carefully decide how to do that. Some of the stakeholders and shareholders cannot allow it at this moment. Therefore, if we can get more robust business structure, I can explain it, I can get approval. If it’s needed.”
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More on SKYACTIV Technology with the SKYACTIV-Drive Automatic Transmission | CorkSport Mazda Performance Blog
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The SkyActiv drivetrain in my 6AT CX-3, while not the peppiest thing in the world, is still fun to drive. Tap the paddle-shifter to downshift and it blips the throttle and shifts easily as fast as I could in my 6MT RX-8. No, it's not as engaging but it's a damn far cry from the shitbox transmissions from 10-15 years ago.
I am in that heretical crowd. Mazda have the know-how to make an AMAZING sports car but they're too pig-headed about building the perfect rotary (regardless of transmission choice, these are two different discussions). Sure, they'd lose a few rotary purists but I would bet dollars-to-donuts that they would gain more sales overall.
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More is not always better for some people like myself.
No disputing the speed and power superiority, but there's something missing.
Kinda like streaming music and listening to vinyl albums.
There's a subtle, indefinable satisfaction to it.
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Yeah but I think if you drove an M3 or something similar you would feel different. I mean I love the 6MT in the 8, but I just know most of the people who bash autos just have not driven a decent one because I used to think the same way.
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ive driven ferraris, pooches, and lambos with paddle shifters and i still prefer a fooking clutch pedal