It Looks Like the S2000 is Going to 2.2 Liters for the 2004 Model Year
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The guys (or gals) on vtec.net surmize that not much more power but 10 - 14 lb-ft additional torque with same 'F' series engine.
I think this puts it a shade over 175. |
Originally posted by gord boyd I think this puts it a shade over 175. No numbers on the 2.2 liter yet though. |
He meant torque, not hp.
2.2 is 10% bigger than 2.0, so if you assume hp/liter and torque/liter are constant, you get 168 ft-lbs and 264 hp. |
I read somewhere that the S2200 will be a hardtop and output 250hp at the crank, say bye to 120hp/L. No word on torque though...
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theres no replacement for displacement (F.I. asside) |
Road & Track Article
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I agree with the article. I really like the looks of the coupe version there. I would buy the coupe. I would never buy the convertible. If that's the car they're puttin' out, that looks sweet! Can't wait to see them.
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Is it just me or does the S2200 pictured at the bottom of the article look like a 350Z?
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i am all for a coupe, and maybe its the angle of the pic, but damn. Bring back the drop top cuz that coupe is butt ugly
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More stroke?
So is Honda going to stroke the engine? That would explaing the small increase in power.
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So is Honda going to stroke the engine? That would explaing the small increase in power. Is it just me or does the S2200 pictured at the bottom of the article look like a 350Z? |
maybe this is the same thing, but wouldnt a few millimeter overbore on the cylinders help with the displacement too? Either way i think we can all agreee that that little thing can move, its just too bad all it's power is at the top. I just dont think i can get past the fact that it is a $30k honda. Just me though
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Originally posted by Farsyde maybe this is the same thing, but wouldnt a few millimeter overbore on the cylinders help with the displacement too? Either way i think we can all agreee that that little thing can move, its just too bad all it's power is at the top. nope. stroking and boring pistons two different things. to run the same rpm on a longer-stroke crank (and con-rod), your piston speeds increase quite a bit more, which means your loads on your con-rods increase like-wise. but, with the larger diameter crank, you're getting more torque per turn. basically, if you stroke an engine, you're going to get better torque(longer crank radius, more force on piston), maybe more power (depends on a lot of things), but you're not going to be able to rev it as high, all other things being equal (ie, max piston speed). if you bore the cylinder out (what i wish they'd have done, unless they did), you're going to get a larger displacement, and a larger area upon which the gases can press (assuming equal pressure as the smaller bore, you're getting a proportionately larger force) you then end up with a larger force on the same lever (crank radius). this too will help with your torque, but becuase the piston travel isn't as long, you can make a lot more power as piston speeds don't increase (as the stroke is the same), and with the extra force at all rpm, your power goes up considerably. of course, this is the mega-basic over-simplified approach, but includes a few of the major factors, outcomes, and considerations. |
Originally posted by wakeech if you bore the cylinder out (what i wish they'd have done, unless they did), |
Originally posted by zoom44 are you saying that if in fact they did bore out the cylinders then you would wish for a stroker instead?:p ...i was saying i can't really wish for something that they've done... hahaha... |
Originally posted by wakeech ...if you bore the cylinder out... you can make a lot more power as piston speeds don't increase (as the stroke is the same), and with the extra force at all rpm, your power goes up considerably... ---jps |
Originally posted by Sputnik A bigger bore means a bigger piston, means a heavier piston, means more stress on the conrods, means less rpms, all else being equal. ---jps |
I could be wrong, but I don't think the 2.0 had enough cylinder wall thickness to bore it out. I think they either stroked it or went with a whole new block.
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Originally posted by Schneegz I could be wrong, but I don't think the 2.0 had enough cylinder wall thickness to bore it out. I think they either stroked it or went with a whole new block. |
Originally posted by Schneegz I could be wrong, but I don't think the 2.0 had enough cylinder wall thickness to bore it out. I think they either stroked it or went with a whole new block. |
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