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SHOWOFF 06-02-2008 04:06 PM

Lewis Hamilton - Riding on Ferrari's coattails again
 
Lewis Hamilton is proof that all you need to do is win a few races and come in second to win the championship.

Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant driver, but it makes me want to puke thinking that with 4 wins out of 17 races he nearly took the '07 title. In 2008 it looks like he'll pull the same garbage. I think that's pathetic to almost have to give the championship to someone who didn't win the most races. His team principal even dipped him in the grease in Turkey saying that the car was capable of pole and he wasn't.

Give it to the driver that wins, not just the driver that finishes the race in 2nd or 3rd. And quit giving his dad so much face time on Speed Channel. There's nothing worse than a gold digging father.

alfy28 06-02-2008 04:41 PM

uh? its only 5th race in out of 16. he stil has ways to go. so your kimmi or massa still have a chance to wint he championship. but i do hope hamilton wins this year. but man its only 5th race in lol.
and the same can be said about kimi last year. to me who ever has the points wins, regardless how many times they came in 1st , 2nd or 3rd.

alnielsen 06-02-2008 04:52 PM

His father is his manager, thats why you see him at all the races. Why not give you father the 10% fee rather than someone else?
Also consistency will always win the championship. You don't have to win a majority of the races.

boanjangnararmine 06-02-2008 04:53 PM

Q Q...

shaunv74 06-02-2008 04:55 PM

Winning a title is about consistency Should a team that wins more races than anyone else get the championship if they don't finish the rest??

By your logic if I win 2 races and don't race the rest of the season and every other team wins 1 race all Season then I get to be Champion. That's pretty silly. The points system means that the team that finishes most consistently in the top wins the championship. That's the way it should be. It's not the superbowl yaknow.

alfy28 06-02-2008 04:57 PM

if you want to look at Hamiltons last year finishes. let me post Kimis for you. and btw he didnt win the most of the races of 2007. but since he has the points he deserves it. so your precious little kimmi or massa has a chance to win this session. also Hamiltons father is the manager of lewis.
Austraila-1st
Malyasia- 3rd
Bahrain-3rd
Spainish- didnt finish
Monaco- 8th
Canada- 5th
USA-4th
France- 2nd
Bristish-1st
EU- retired
Hungry-2nd
Turkey-2nd
Monza-3rd
Spa-1st
Fuji-3rd
Shanghai-1st
Brazil- 1st

rglbegl 06-02-2008 05:24 PM

I like Hamilton because he was a rookie that came in and Funked sheet up!!!

He made the old timers open their eyes. Too many of the old guys just expect everything to be handed to them now that Schumy is gone.


BTW - Kubica is now the man in my book. This is one of his best years, and he has BMW close to the top of the boards within 1 point of Mercedes.

LionZoo 06-02-2008 05:32 PM

I'd gripe about Hamilton (he is my most hated driver on the grid right now), but I'm too busy trying to secure a drive for Takuma Sato at the moment...

CERAMICSEAL 06-02-2008 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by LionZoo (Post 2491653)
I'd gripe about Hamilton (he is my most hated driver on the grid right now), but I'm too busy trying to secure a drive for Takuma Sato at the moment...

I don't understand: What is there to "Hate" about Lewis? He's pleasant, talented, well spoken, aggressive on track, good in the dry and wet, young, good looking, celebrates when he wins, takes it in stride when he doesn't win and so far he's a positive role model for the sport.

Seal.

JDMpurest 06-02-2008 05:58 PM

^hes a B**ch hes always a baby about stuff like at the end of 07 he was like its fine i will win next year, its like no you wont kimi's better sir.

LionZoo 06-02-2008 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by CERAMICSEAL (Post 2491686)
I don't understand: What is there to "Hate" about Lewis? He's pleasant, talented, well spoken, aggressive on track, good in the dry and wet, young, good looking, celebrates when he wins, takes it in stride when he doesn't win and so far he's a positive role model for the sport.

Seal.

The reason I hate Hamilton is the same reason I hate Sidney Crosby; he's been absolutely shoved down our throats as the next legendary driver of F1 to the point where sometimes it feels like Lewis Hamilton is bigger than F1 itself. Not to mention though Hamilton plays the humble kid card, you can see that in reality he's ruthless and not what he's being marketed as.

Also, the coverage on Anthony Hamilton is absolutely annoying. Do they have to show his face more than most of the drivers and team principals? Every time he's being shown I want to punch my TV. Plus, as a supporter of many minnow teams over the teams, I hate Ron Dennis. Give me Frank Williams any day of the week.

JDMpurest 06-02-2008 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by LionZoo (Post 2491698)
The reason I hate Hamilton is the same reason I hate Sidney Crosby; he's been absolutely shoved down our throats as the next legendary driver of F1 to the point where sometimes it feels like Lewis Hamilton is bigger than F1 itself. Not to mention though Hamilton plays the humble kid card, you can see that in reality he's ruthless and not what he's being marketed as.

Also, the coverage on Anthony Hamilton is absolutely annoying. Do they have to show his face more than most of the drivers and team principals? Every time he's being shown I want to punch my TV. Plus, as a supporter of many minnow teams over the teams, I hate Ron Dennis. Give me Frank Williams any day of the week.

HOLY CRAP no one could have said that as good. Finally someone gets it right :beer05:

alfy28 06-02-2008 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by JDMpurest (Post 2491692)
^hes a B**ch hes always a baby about stuff like at the end of 07 he was like its fine i will win next year, its like no you wont kimi's better sir.

so what did you want to him to say or do? where you hoping he would just like break down crying because he didnt win the championship? So how is he a bitxh? So how is he a bitxh because he feels he would do better then 07?

and this is why i like hamilton alot. he doesnt let losses or mistakes get to him. he just shrugs it off and do better next time. that is why he is a good driver, and probably why alot of ppl like him. when he make mistakes or lose a race, he doesnt go back to the garage and start crying, he goes back and give every one of his mechanics handshakes etc.

and to me the only one who are acting like bitxhes are the ones here complaing about hamilton father being TV due some camera man at speedvision. its not like he is on the whole entire race. you guys are crying over what 10-30sec camera time?

alnielsen 06-02-2008 06:26 PM

It's the British press that has put Hamilton on a pedestal. He is a Brit, driving for a British team. They have great expectations for a title. You can't hold him fully responsible for the that.

rglbegl 06-02-2008 06:37 PM

People hate Hamilton because he takes away the spotlight from their favorite driver.


And they show his father rather often like they show ANY other recognizable and/or important figure in the sport.

alnielsen 06-02-2008 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 2491725)
and to me the only one who are acting like bitxhes are the ones here complaing about hamilton father being TV due some camera man at speedvision. its not like he is on the whole entire race. you guys are crying over what 10-30sec camera time?

The broadcast is contracted out by F1. Speedvision has no control over the cameras. In fact, the Speedvision broadcasters, except Windsor, are watching and commenting on the same feed we see.
As far as the focus on Ham's father. They also show Briatore and Braun's latest women and Massa's wife. Those are just a few. You should see what the press are printing about the girls Ham is dating. :Eyecrazy:

alfy28 06-02-2008 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2491820)
The broadcast is contracted out by F1. Speedvision has no control over the cameras. In fact, the Speedvision broadcasters, except Windsor, are watching and commenting on the same feed we see.
As far as the focus on Ham's father. They also show Briatore and Braun's latest women and Massa's wife. Those are just a few. You should see what the press are printing about the girls Ham is dating. :Eyecrazy:

awww, yah your right. . btw any of girls hot? :lol:

LionZoo 06-03-2008 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 2491725)
so what did you want to him to say or do? where you hoping he would just like break down crying because he didnt win the championship? So how is he a bitxh? So how is he a bitxh because he feels he would do better then 07?

and this is why i like hamilton alot. he doesnt let losses or mistakes get to him. he just shrugs it off and do better next time. that is why he is a good driver, and probably why alot of ppl like him. when he make mistakes or lose a race, he doesnt go back to the garage and start crying, he goes back and give every one of his mechanics handshakes etc.

and to me the only one who are acting like bitxhes are the ones here complaing about hamilton father being TV due some camera man at speedvision. its not like he is on the whole entire race. you guys are crying over what 10-30sec camera time?

I have my biases. Yes they show other figures of the sport as well, but Anthony is shown almost without fail in every race; it's like the contract stipulated they show Anthony. You don't see any other dad having anything near that coverage.

Yes the British press has put him on a pedestal and yes Lewis is not fully responsible for it, but considering we speak English and most of America thinks F1 might be some sort of hair care product, the press that we get of F1 comes out of Britain where Anthony has become deified. Add this with my extreme dislike of Ron Dennis ever since his comments about how F1 doesn't need minnow teams and my dislike of general annoyance at England (I'm an Arsenal FC fan, it's a long story...) and Lewis' background isn't in his favor in my eyes.

alnielsen 06-03-2008 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 2492100)
awww, yah your right. . btw any of girls hot? :lol:

All of them are. :) One is one of the Pussycat Dolls.

alfy28 06-03-2008 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by LionZoo (Post 2492432)
I have my biases. Yes they show other figures of the sport as well, but Anthony is shown almost without fail in every race; it's like the contract stipulated they show Anthony. You don't see any other dad having anything near that coverage.

Yes the British press has put him on a pedestal and yes Lewis is not fully responsible for it, but considering we speak English and most of America thinks F1 might be some sort of hair care product, the press that we get of F1 comes out of Britain where Anthony has become deified. Add this with my extreme dislike of Ron Dennis ever since his comments about how F1 doesn't need minnow teams and my dislike of general annoyance at England (I'm an Arsenal FC fan, it's a long story...) and Lewis' background isn't in his favor in my eyes.

good post. like anielsen and you, you guys must see alot in europe where we in the US do not see this type of coverage. so i can see why you guys would be annoyed.

also i find it funny that TC hasnt respond to my post of Kimi finishes last session for each race.

alnielsen 06-03-2008 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2492536)
All of them are. :) One is one of the Pussycat Dolls.

A follow up on the question: Pussycat Doll Nicole Scherzinger
Dannii Minogue
Natasha Bedingfield
Miss Grenada, Vivian Burkhardt
And a Miss Turkey.

Also Kimi has a reputation for being a playboy.

ATL-GP 06-03-2008 10:20 AM

If its any consolation to Showoff, at least in the event of a tie in points, the decide the championship based on race wins. And if i'm not mistaken....(don't kill me if i am) if the race win count is tied, they go to the most pols, then fastest laps.

SHOWOFF 06-03-2008 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by shaunv74 (Post 2491608)
Winning a title is about consistency Should a team that wins more races than anyone else get the championship if they don't finish the rest??

By your logic if I win 2 races and don't race the rest of the season and every other team wins 1 race all Season then I get to be Champion. That's pretty silly. The points system means that the team that finishes most consistently in the top wins the championship. That's the way it should be. It's not the superbowl yaknow.

Not what I'm saying. I think the wins should have far more weight in the points.

alnielsen 06-03-2008 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by SHOWOFF (Post 2492958)
Not what I'm saying. I think the wins should have far more weight in the points.

The point system was just changed a year or two ago to weigh a win higher.

LionZoo 06-03-2008 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2492968)
The point system was just changed a year or two ago to weigh a win higher.

It was changed starting in 2005 so that a win had less value over second place. Previously the points were 10-6-4-3-2-1, but it was changed to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. The gap from 1st to 2nd was narrowed from 4 points to 2 points.


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