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SSJ 909 05-20-2006 05:28 PM

The future of fuel? Water?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuoBu...5%26posted%3D1

I just am curious as to the cost of the process and the actual performance numbers. but this looks cool as hell!

toxin440 05-20-2006 05:57 PM

see that kinda stuff is badass... and assuming this stuff takes off and goes global, would proove that most technology thats truly revolutionay comes out of someones garage that's tinkering around for FUN, and not from faceless corporations seeking to enhance profits.

And upon watching the video -- thats awesome he's from houston TX, im from there and have watched those two fox news anchors a lot!

rx8wannahave 05-20-2006 06:01 PM

Did I hear that right....4 oz = 100 miles?

Whaaaaaaaa?????

Yeah, most of the Earth is water...but I worry about building cars to compete with us and plant life for that O so special H2O.

SSJ 909 05-20-2006 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Did I hear that right....4 oz = 100 miles?

Whaaaaaaaa?????

Yeah, most of the Earth is water...but I worry about building cars to compete with us and plant life for that O so special H2O.

Dude we drink "clean" filtered water.
I am sure you could take ordinary water and use it the way this dude has.
I mean if the technology actually moves I am sure companies could just use the water that collects in sewers, hell its not like we are drinking it.
Plus if only something like 4oz allows you to go 100 miles,
even if everyone fills up with a gallon of water they will be more than good for awhile!
Right now my only interest is safety performance, and how easily the technology works. Accoridng tot he link it passed a bunch of safety tests...

BaronVonBigmeat 05-20-2006 06:40 PM

This is the fourth thread on this same company, but I didn't notice they were from Houston until just now. I may have to check this out in person.

I'm still pretty sceptical that this guy is running his car around on water generated as the car runs. Probably the reporter on Fox 26 got that wrong. I imagine if it's running 100% hydrogen, he's filling up a hydrogen tank the night before, with his wonder-gizmo plugged into the wall. Which would still be impressive, if you can do it cheaper per mile than gasoline.

rotarygod 05-20-2006 07:33 PM

He has a Florida license plate and his office is in Clearwater which is also in Florida. It's just a Houston news station that reported it.

bascho 05-20-2006 07:34 PM

That is the greatest discovery of the 21st century IMO. How long do you think it will be before the oil industry puts a hit out on this guy?

SSJ 909 05-20-2006 07:36 PM

honestly, people are complaining all over.
If its finiancial doable this govt would be retarded not to push it to go forward.
The oil industry has insane power, but when hundreds of millions of people complain that power can be subdued

guy321 05-20-2006 07:41 PM

Damn, thats right here in town.. I'll have to keep an eye out of r a water powered car !

rotarygod 05-20-2006 09:54 PM

Before you get excited please understand that IF in fact something like this ever did take off and go mainstream, the powers that be would find a way to make it expensive. If we aren't making money on gas taxes, we'll get taxed to death on water. If it can be made expensive, it will be. Hopefully everyone lives by a large body of water.

roywhitep5 05-20-2006 11:31 PM

humm i wonder if i want to run the car on expensive gasoline or free water today............ what to choose????

jaguargod 05-21-2006 12:20 AM

All that will happen will be that the oil companies will buy the rights to his technology for say 50 million, and then throw it in some vault never to be see again. I'm sure it has happened before.

rx8fanatic2085 05-21-2006 12:35 AM

it has... many times... hopefully this time will be different.

vwnh 05-21-2006 12:50 AM

If this works, you think gas is expencive, wait till you see what they charge for free water!!!!!!!!

rx8wannahave 05-21-2006 09:05 PM

What will or can they charge? I just go to a local lake (it's all over here in FL) and filler up...lol.

I hear the swamp scum gives you another 10whp (or water horse power)

Mugatu 05-21-2006 09:22 PM

i wouldn't get your hopes up - I am sure the gas companies will put a hit out on this guy.

presequel 05-21-2006 09:35 PM

yea theres gonna be alot of people working against him. oil is important to alot of people and if cars no longer need gas and just need water.....well alot of people will be mad (and we'll be happy).

Winning 8 05-21-2006 09:38 PM

no, I don't want to pay 3.50 for a gal of water.

BaronVonBigmeat 05-22-2006 12:20 AM

The hydrogen torch thing costs like, $6,000. So the question is (just like for hybrids), do the MPG gains offset the large price increase? For semis, yes--that's why there are several other companies in the testing stage for this stuff. You're talking about very expensive trucks where $6k is nothing compared to the thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of fuel they use annually.

For cars...people probably won't be interested unless gas is above $3 a gallon. Less than that, and they'd rather just have a smaller car note. Just because it hasn't been adopted yet for all transportation doesn't necessarily mean that there's a conspiracy. It's more likely that people just don't want to pay that extra money up front (until recently).

rx8wannahave 05-22-2006 08:28 AM

I hope this guy does not end up in one of our FL lakes because of Big Oil... :suspect:

guy321 05-22-2006 10:04 AM

Is the Gulf of Mexico big enough? :)

I have a lake in my backyard too.. but even at 4oz per 100 miles, it may get used.. Good point though, but atleast the byproduct waste of this thing appears to be water too?? SO we won't dry up the Earth in 100 years?? Or will we?

Funny how things are a replicating cycle.. People started looking for other fuel sources when we were running out of our main one in the 1800's.. Whale blubber.. THat one dude in Pennsylvania decided to use oil.. blah blah

Also bring up another question.. does the water need to be of a certain type? fresh? distilled? de-ionized? If a conversion process is needed then water prices WOULD go up as we'd need more/larger plants..


Originally Posted by rotarygod
Before you get excited please understand that IF in fact something like this ever did take off and go mainstream, the powers that be would find a way to make it expensive. If we aren't making money on gas taxes, we'll get taxed to death on water. If it can be made expensive, it will be. Hopefully everyone lives by a large body of water.


guy321 05-22-2006 10:25 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HHO

Dinhx8 05-22-2006 10:53 AM

i heard the rotary consumes more water than a conventional piston engine.
also, water would make the rotary even MORE likely to 'flood' just by nature.
Plus, the manual says "premium" gas so it'd have to be at least Dasani or Aquafina, not generic Target brand or anything.

JRH13NJ 05-22-2006 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Dinhx8
i heard the rotary consumes more water than a conventional piston engine.
also, water would make the rotary even MORE likely to 'flood' just by nature.
Plus, the manual says "premium" gas so it'd have to be at least Dasani or Aquafina, not generic Target brand or anything.


HAHA that was great only the best for the 8s!

ALP22 05-23-2006 05:55 PM

:icon_bs: BS all the way dude. Even if the torch could run on his HHO or "electrolysed water", where does the energy for the electrolysis come from? Probably a big ass battery in the trunk, or plug in the car at night. i.e. we still need to burn fossil fuel to make the fuell, only it gets done at a power station instead of under the hood.

The bit about monoatomic hydrogen is scientifically correct, i.e. "reactive hydrogen" as it is sometimes called, is different from molecular hydrogen, and so will take up more room and react differently, but still it doesn't get over the problem of how you make it in the first place.

There is a simple chemical reaction to make this in a test tube... Place some zinc powder and HCl in tube #1, and pipe over the resulting gas into tube #2, which has in it your chemical that you wanna react with the monoatomic H, and some more zinc powder. Bubble the gas from tube 1 thru' the solution in tube 2, and you get some weird chemistry. Interesting, but sure as hell not gonna revolutionize transportation any time soon.


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