Ford plans to use Mazda as collateral
12-14-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ASH8
The Chassis number code is part of the vehicles VIN...
12-14-2006, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by j_tso
the magnum isn't a legacy car. It has no hisory behind it like the Mustang or charger does, that's why the RX-8 is not called RX-7
Poppycock!!! Magnum FTW!!!
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12-14-2006, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by j_tso
And where's the legacy (not the Subaru)?
It wasn't driven by the Dukes of Hazard or Steve McQueen. Then it ain't an icon.
It wasn't driven by the Dukes of Hazard or Steve McQueen. Then it ain't an icon.
What are you talking about?!?!? It was produced for two years - it has TONS of legacy!
12-14-2006, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tirminyl
FE3S follows the vin in US. The car is otherwise known as SE3P. Which I believe is the true chassis code.
VIN of a 2004 US RX-8 JM1FE17**40100053
Body..
The Chassis number imprinted/stamped on the Firewall/Bulkhead is the same above...it is the chassis number which identifies any Mazda and its model to Mazda and their dealers...including service and parts.
12-14-2006, 05:56 PM
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Ford is a business school textbook example of a basket case company that relies on a one trick pony for far too long, without investing sufficient R&D into developing new product.
The one trick pony is not the Mustang, but the F150/F250.
The one trick pony is not the Mustang, but the F150/F250.
12-14-2006, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
The chassis code is SE3P... 
The Chassis Number of a car is the Number...
JM1FE17..............
You are talking Model Code?
12-14-2006, 07:43 PM
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I suggest that ^^ site "Could" be in error as SE3P...could it be FE3P?
Mazda NAO VIN Numbers are as I stated above, in operation for nearly 30 years by all car makers worldwide.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/...us_2007rx8.pdf
http://www.analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm
I suggest you do a little more research...
Mazda NAO VIN Numbers are as I stated above, in operation for nearly 30 years by all car makers worldwide.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/...us_2007rx8.pdf
http://www.analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm
I suggest you do a little more research...
12-15-2006, 02:28 AM
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Make up your mind mate...this is what you first said, before edit..
"The true chassis code known everywhere else is SE, FE is for the states. Probably due to the US regulations of it."
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I have never heard of a known Chassis code that is used everywhere to identify any Mazda or a platform code....
As I said originally the VIN is what is used to identify every car...
and the Chassis number is part of that entire VIN code...it is your Chassis (VIN) Number you quote when TSB's are referred to, when parts are ordered and parts file reference.
The 17 Alpa/numerical V.I.N includes the industry standards of the following coded info..
Region: Country: Manufacturer: Model Specific (FE17): Year: Assembly Plant: Serial (Chassis) Number (last 6 digits) ...in that order.
I have never heard of any reference to a "chassis code, or platform code " for owner, dealer, or distributor correspondence.
There are project codes at the very early concept/design and manufacturing of a model.
"The true chassis code known everywhere else is SE, FE is for the states. Probably due to the US regulations of it."
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I have never heard of a known Chassis code that is used everywhere to identify any Mazda or a platform code....
As I said originally the VIN is what is used to identify every car...
and the Chassis number is part of that entire VIN code...it is your Chassis (VIN) Number you quote when TSB's are referred to, when parts are ordered and parts file reference.
The 17 Alpa/numerical V.I.N includes the industry standards of the following coded info..
Region: Country: Manufacturer: Model Specific (FE17): Year: Assembly Plant: Serial (Chassis) Number (last 6 digits) ...in that order.
I have never heard of any reference to a "chassis code, or platform code " for owner, dealer, or distributor correspondence.
There are project codes at the very early concept/design and manufacturing of a model.
12-15-2006, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ASH8
Yeah Right!
What's in a name RX-2,RX-3,RX-4,RX-5,RX-7,RX-8....call the car what you want for marketing, sales, or retail purpose...
I have had many years experience as a Mazda Parts Manager here in Australia, so I think I have some authority on how their vehicle model code system works.
I look at the vehicles V.I.N (Vehicle Identification Number) model code as any Mazda spare parts person does..
The RX-8 shares the same model code alphabetical sequencing as the RX-7.
The RX-7's VIN model code history starting prefixes are SA (FB), FC, FD, and RX-8....FE
Mazda have never before shared a model code sequence for any all new rotary until the RX-8, I can go back 40 years.
In fact their piston engine cars also have their own model codes and don't share any VIN resemblance like the RX-7 and RX-8.
MX-5 Miata...NA,NB,NC.
Old 626..GC,GD,GE
The vehicles model code also has a direct correlation to Mazda part numbers and their identification/use.
It is my belief that the RX-8 is the RX-7 replacement apart from the name.
The only visible difference is the RX-8 being a 4 door sports car where all RX-7's were 2 door sports.
The RX-8 should therefore have its own unique VIN model code starting prefix as ALL other Mazda's do.
Mazda has never reused or rebirths a rotary models RX- name after it has been discontinued for export use...
So I believe that the RX-7's name is gone for good.
What's in a name RX-2,RX-3,RX-4,RX-5,RX-7,RX-8....call the car what you want for marketing, sales, or retail purpose...
I have had many years experience as a Mazda Parts Manager here in Australia, so I think I have some authority on how their vehicle model code system works.
I look at the vehicles V.I.N (Vehicle Identification Number) model code as any Mazda spare parts person does..
The RX-8 shares the same model code alphabetical sequencing as the RX-7.
The RX-7's VIN model code history starting prefixes are SA (FB), FC, FD, and RX-8....FE
Mazda have never before shared a model code sequence for any all new rotary until the RX-8, I can go back 40 years.
In fact their piston engine cars also have their own model codes and don't share any VIN resemblance like the RX-7 and RX-8.
MX-5 Miata...NA,NB,NC.
Old 626..GC,GD,GE
The vehicles model code also has a direct correlation to Mazda part numbers and their identification/use.
It is my belief that the RX-8 is the RX-7 replacement apart from the name.
The only visible difference is the RX-8 being a 4 door sports car where all RX-7's were 2 door sports.
The RX-8 should therefore have its own unique VIN model code starting prefix as ALL other Mazda's do.
Mazda has never reused or rebirths a rotary models RX- name after it has been discontinued for export use...
So I believe that the RX-7's name is gone for good.
The F platform (FB, FC, FD, FE) is what Mazda created to signify a dedicated RWD sports car. The Savanna/SA (1979-1980) RX7 was not included in this lineup, because prior to 1981, the US did not specify a 17-digit vin - rather, every manufacturer had its own lineup of 13-digits.
I imagine you would ask - why isn't the Miata in there? I mean, you referenced it, right? It's RWD, right?
Well. According to Mazda, the Miata is a dedicated Roadster . It uses a different combination for the VIN, being NA, NB, NC, etc. It is not considered a RWD Sports Car by Mazda, rather it is in it's own class.
Mazda platforms, since this 17-digit US specification, have gone by Chassis. The FB RX7 sat on an FB3S chassis, the FC RX7, the FC3S, and so on. The RX8 sits on a brand-new, SE3P chassis. The RX7's were basically the exact same chassis, just reused, modified heavily, etc, but were essentially the same. The RX8, being a brand new chassis, is NOT the same as an RX7, nor the successor, etc, by default. The RX8 uses the FE33 in its VIN because it is considered by Mazda a dedicated RWD Sports Car.
If Mazda wanted it to be the RX7's successor, they certainly could have. They didn't HAVE to change the name to RX8, and add 2 doors. They could've used the SE3P chassis, and still called it an RX7. But they didn't because it is NOT the successor to the RX7.
You need to do more research.
12-15-2006, 08:24 PM
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A few minor changes, the edit button doesn't do justice!
I'm sure you will try and say that the RX8 couldn't be called an RX7 due to it being a brand new chassis - but look at the Cosmo's. Brand new chassis PER GENERATION - But it was still marketed and sold under the "Cosmo" name.
I'm sure you will try and say that the RX8 couldn't be called an RX7 due to it being a brand new chassis - but look at the Cosmo's. Brand new chassis PER GENERATION - But it was still marketed and sold under the "Cosmo" name.
12-15-2006, 08:45 PM
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12-16-2006, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AdRoCK3217
There are so many reasons why you are wrong. First of all, no other "all new rotary" had a 17-digit VIN, so using that as a comparison makes you a complete moron. You are obviously talking out of your ***.
The F platform (FB, FC, FD, FE) is what Mazda created to signify a dedicated RWD sports car. The Savanna/SA (1979-1980) RX7 was not included in this lineup, because prior to 1981, the US did not specify a 17-digit vin - rather, every manufacturer had its own lineup of 13-digits.
I imagine you would ask - why isn't the Miata in there? I mean, you referenced it, right? It's RWD, right?
Well. According to Mazda, the Miata is a dedicated Roadster . It uses a different combination for the VIN, being NA, NB, NC, etc. It is not considered a RWD Sports Car by Mazda, rather it is in it's own class.
Mazda platforms, since this 17-digit US specification, have gone by Chassis. The FB RX7 sat on an FB3S chassis, the FC RX7, the FC3S, and so on. The RX8 sits on a brand-new, SE3P chassis. The RX7's were basically the exact same chassis, just reused, modified heavily, etc, but were essentially the same. The RX8, being a brand new chassis, is NOT the same as an RX7, nor the successor, etc, by default. The RX8 uses the FE33 in its VIN because it is considered by Mazda a dedicated RWD Sports Car.
If Mazda wanted it to be the RX7's successor, they certainly could have. They didn't HAVE to change the name to RX8, and add 2 doors. They could've used the SE3P chassis, and still called it an RX7. But they didn't because it is NOT the successor to the RX7.
You need to do more research.
The F platform (FB, FC, FD, FE) is what Mazda created to signify a dedicated RWD sports car. The Savanna/SA (1979-1980) RX7 was not included in this lineup, because prior to 1981, the US did not specify a 17-digit vin - rather, every manufacturer had its own lineup of 13-digits.
I imagine you would ask - why isn't the Miata in there? I mean, you referenced it, right? It's RWD, right?
Well. According to Mazda, the Miata is a dedicated Roadster . It uses a different combination for the VIN, being NA, NB, NC, etc. It is not considered a RWD Sports Car by Mazda, rather it is in it's own class.
Mazda platforms, since this 17-digit US specification, have gone by Chassis. The FB RX7 sat on an FB3S chassis, the FC RX7, the FC3S, and so on. The RX8 sits on a brand-new, SE3P chassis. The RX7's were basically the exact same chassis, just reused, modified heavily, etc, but were essentially the same. The RX8, being a brand new chassis, is NOT the same as an RX7, nor the successor, etc, by default. The RX8 uses the FE33 in its VIN because it is considered by Mazda a dedicated RWD Sports Car.
If Mazda wanted it to be the RX7's successor, they certainly could have. They didn't HAVE to change the name to RX8, and add 2 doors. They could've used the SE3P chassis, and still called it an RX7. But they didn't because it is NOT the successor to the RX7.
You need to do more research.
the 17 digit VIN came in 1978 for all Mazda's world wide, the chassis number iformation was identical, the extra details added were codes for region, country, manufacturer....
The MX-5 not class as RWD...you are an IDIOT..the RX-7 were not the same basic platforms either you **** head.
When the new VIN protocols came in every Mazda still in production used exactly the same model and chassis number....all that was addes were the JM1...Asia, Japan, Mazda...not all of the 17 codes are used, some are optional.
Remenber dick, I worked at Mazda every year through this period with Mazda and EVERY RX-7 made....1975 to mid 80s, then after a break late 80s to late 90s.
Your telling ME!....F.O
12-16-2006, 11:02 AM
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Right, the MX-5 was not classed as a RWD Sports Car, it was classed as a Roadster (probably RWD, but from the research I did, it didn't specify). And apparently yes, the RX7's were the same basic platforms, just changed. Mazda didn't do a completely new (read: not a single reused piece) chassis until the SE3P.
And yes, I'm telling YOU! (omg!wows!) because you are saying that the RX8 is the new RX7, and yet neither of know for sure that it IS or IS NOT. There is no definite answer, until MAZDA chimes in! (Remember, working at Mazda does not make YOU Mazda! We both lack Ninja! Ahh!)
And yes, I'm telling YOU! (omg!wows!) because you are saying that the RX8 is the new RX7, and yet neither of know for sure that it IS or IS NOT. There is no definite answer, until MAZDA chimes in! (Remember, working at Mazda does not make YOU Mazda! We both lack Ninja! Ahh!)
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