Originally Posted by digitalSniperX1 (Post 2535617)

First, let's start with the obvious.

First, tell us how the differential equations that descibe the behavior of a mass spring system vary between leaf springs and coil springs.

After you're done scratching your head on that one, tell us when did the horse and buggy equipped with leaf springs begin using advanced composite materials in them?

Now, ask yourself another question, why would GM engineers use leaf springs made of such materials when a steel coil spring is far less costly?

Now, that your head is on top your shoulders, why in the hell do you all think coil spings are of some great advantage? Friggen vegas had coil springs, and pintos too (not on the rears).

We'll move on from that if you can come up with just one good answer to the above.

As not always being one who follows his own advice, I'm guessing this too is a waste of time.

You know, the horse and buggy used wheels. The RX8 uses wheels. Using your logic, the RX8 and the horse drawn buggy have a lot in common.

Originally Posted by digitalSniperX1 (Post 2535691)

Waiting on free course....can we get it in a cognitive shade of blue or should we be thinking in blue while receiving it?

Originally Posted by alfy28 (Post 2535714)

this has to be a joke post uh? because this enzo looking ferrari, isnt even a producation car.

Originally Posted by BMonkey (Post 2535896)

and what number must be produced to be a "production" car? The ZR1 is only going to have 2000 made, under World Rally Car rules that wouldn't even qualify as a "production" car.

Originally Posted by playdoh43 (Post 2535936)

the FXX isnt street legal, people who buy it are only allowed to drive it at Ferrari track events. the owners cant even drive it home

Originally Posted by BMonkey (Post 2536200)

Sure they can, if they live at a track. The Nurburgring isn't a public road anyways.

Originally Posted by playdoh43 (Post 2536522)

too bad you can only drive it at ferrari's tracks, and the ring isnt one of them.

Originally Posted by BMonkey (Post 2536580)

Ferrari doesn't own the Nurburgring.... the FXX has been to the Nurburgring before, just not on the Nordschleife. Though if it wasn't the FXX, the Enzo would do the same job and rape the ZR1 time if they sent out a pro driver (hopefully Michael Schumacher) and told him to set the fastest time possible. So I don't know why you're fighting the FXX so hard... if it wasn't that I could bring up dozens of other exotics that will smash the ZR1 time, like the Caparo T1.

Originally Posted by BMonkey (Post 2536580)

"Sure they can, if they live at a track. The Nurburgring isn't a public road anyways."

Originally Posted by digitalSniperX1 (Post 2537030)

BMonkey, take the stupid Ferrari badges off your car man, jeeze.


http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mazda-rrari-rx-8/854403/

Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO (Post 2537264)

OMG. That's BMonkey's car? Ferrari fanboi, sure, but...
how could you do that? Gaw. Jeez.

Originally Posted by Reedy (Post 2531307)

Ive been following the ZR1 VS GTR debat for awhile on other boards now and a couple things worth mentioning are:

A. The GTR's "official" time was done using R compound tires and had the boost cranked up beyond stock levels along with suspension tuning, although stock parts were used it was not "stock"

B. The ZR1 turned in that time being completly showroom stock with the ADDITION of communication and saftey equipment, a strong head wind on the main straight, stock Michelin Pilot tires and one of the engineers as the driver! Not a pro like was piloting the GTR. With a pro behind the wheel I would expect to see at least a 7:20 out of the ZR1.

I expect GM is waiting for the Spec V to turn in its offical time befor they unleash the ZR1 with a pro behind the wheel to really slap Nissan in the face.

So for those of you who are comparing hp I would guess the GTR that Nissan took to the ring to be closer to the 550 mark.

Originally Posted by lone_wolf025 (Post 2537861)

As much as I'm on the side of the corvette (as I think the GTR is overrated garbage) where did you get this information about the boost levels and tires on the GTR's run? According to the stuff I've found it only says it was run on "standard Japanese market tires" and nothing about boost.

Originally Posted by playdoh43 (Post 2535704)

Hey and I totally respect that,

your very accurate description of the acceleration advantage the z06 has over the GT-R serve to demonstrate to me even more that the Z06 should be faster than the GT-R around tracks but its not... The GT-R certainly did not beat the Z06 by out accelerating it in the straights

The GT-R is not the best sports car out there. The Gallardo has beaten the GT-R on BMI already at Tsukuba. It is however better than the Z06 in my mind and it seems to be the case in all the reviews and comparos so far too. Thats not even a knock against the Z06 because there are are always better and faster cars out there.

Originally Posted by JRichter (Post 2545714)

ZR-1 ring run released:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/v...4-ring-attack/

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...g?t=1215726460

Originally Posted by JamRWS6 (Post 1566252840)

At start of straightaway:
ZR1: 6.36
GTR: 6.48 Difference= 12 seconds

To the end of the straight where the bridge crosses
Times:
ZR1: 7.05
GTR: 7.18

Time to run back stretch:
ZR1: 29 seconds (ZR1 reaches near 180mph and holds back)
GTR: 30 seconds

I personally think it is LUDICROUS to think the ZR1 could only put 1 second on the GTR through this contest of flat out acceleration EVEN if the GTR had carried more speed into the straight. Hell, even a "measly" 505HP Z06 has been shown to put atleast that much distance on a GTR from 0-120mph.

It looks like the GTR was doctored with A LOT more boost even if the tires weren't doctored.