Convince Me!!!
 

what could you guys say to convince me to not get the EVo, STi, s2000, g35 and get a rx8?

give me your best shot :cool:

get an evo 8

If one test drive dosen't convince you then you are not convinceable. Plus the fact that the other cars are a dime a dozen. I bought my wife a red GT with all the goddies and I cherish each time she lets me drive it. We have had it since November and I have only seen about 4 other 8's on the road ariund where I live.

only one other by me and i live in a pretty populated area....about 10 minutes from NYC....gawk factor on this thing is high!!

If you have to ask, you shouldn't have an RX-8. Go buy an EVO or a WRX.

Read through this:

https://www.rx8club.com/violations-53/little-things-9437/

Every time I do , I jump in the car and take it for a spin.

If you have the $$$ get the EVO 8, they are sweet. I chose the RX8 though.

EVO

Good: Real fast, seats 4-5, AWD, handles pretty good
Bad: Looks, ride, stearing, so-so interior

STi

Good:Real fast, seats 4-5, AWD, handles pretty good
Bad: Looks and so-so interior

s2000

Good: It's a Honda, high rev engine, very good handling, fast
Bad: Seats only 2 (for me this is bad), convertible (for me this is bad), looks kind of bland

g35

Good: Sexy looks, VQ V6, handles good, comfortable (front passengers), torque, great value, fast
Bad: Rear seat headroom, suspect interior quality, shifter feels clunky

RX8

Good: Best overall sports car, fast, FUN to drive, good quality, light and nimble, great balance, good ride considering it's handling ablity, unique 9k rotary, SUPER sexy looks, cheaper than the compitition (can be...add too much and it cost about the same), built for a track, rear seats are useable, rear doors help entry/exit for rear passengers, shifter is great, comfortable, rotary engine sound

Bad: (I wont say fuel economy because I avg 19+mpg city so far 4 fill ups) rear trunk opening is small, lack of spare tire (can be added but takes up too much space in the trunk), interior "seems" to be easy to scratch, doors like to fall back on you (stop notch on doors are not placed very well), OK sized fuel tank, door storage is lacking or shaped wrong (it's deep but too narrow), center storage doors are kind of flemsy, (I wont complain about the cup holders because where else are they going to put them?), coolent levels in the engine bay are hard to read, oil dip stick is too low, rear "feet" room is lacking (so it appears)

AND, the only reason I can be so extensive with the negative of my car is becuase I own it. If I lived with the above compitition I bet I could add alot more to their "bad".

I love my RX8 and something I was not expecting happened, now when I drive other cars I feel so detached from the driving experiance and kind of bored. The RX8 feels like you are attached to it.

Remember the movie Matrix when they attach that thing in the back of your brain to put you into the matrix...well, the rotary thing on our headrest seems to be plugging into our brains because the RX8 becomes an extention of our desries while driving. It does not fight you like most other cars do it becomes a part of you...

Good look deciding, I for one just hope you love what ever you get, but the RX8 is one great car!

I think the EVO is butt ugly - my personal opinion though. You need to go test drive each car thoroughly. And read up on reviews from the auto magazines for each car.

What are you looking for? If you want SPEED get the Evo or STI yet they come at a price of a cheap interior and the exact same body (square) as the 12,000.00 Lancer and Impreza. If you want class and a mature look get the RX-8 or G35 coupe. The G is hot yet the insurance is high. The 8 is the least common of the group therefor you don't see yourself every ten min. and it's very unique so people notice and they are a totally different driving experience......Good luck, there all good cars.

Damn wannahave, I don't think anyone needs convincing after that.

Tony, it all depends what you want, you cant just ask someone to tell you to buy a car without considering your needs. If you want a daily driver, I'd say the 8 or G35 is probably the best. If you need more than 2 seats, the S2K is out. If you don't like a bumpy ride or you are looking for a higher quality interior, the EVO and STi are out. If you need trunk space I wouldn't look at the S2K or the RX-8, because there's not a lot of room back there, particularly if you get the spare tire option (I did--though I did get a cartfull of groceries in there the other day)

I doubt you get much snow in southern CA so the 8 wouldn't be a problem there. The EVO and STi have that kinda ricey look, which you may like or dislike. The S2K and RX-8 have more of a refined exterior. The 8 and the G35 will be better for insurance than the others, the dealer himself told me that the EVO would rape me with insurance costs.

Bottom line is-all of these cars are great, and they were all on my list of cars when I was looking too. But it comes down to your needs, and personal preference. My best advice I can give you is:



If you are driving this car, and you see one of the others on the road, will you say to yourself, "damn, I wish I got that one."

wow thanks guys lots of quick replies. i do need more than 2 seats, and i do need a big trunk space. i like 4 drs for practicality but then again g35's engine just sounds too beautiful. i absolutely love rx8's interior but Evo and STi's AWD is just too seductive. i have a 1996 audi a4 quattro and i love accelerating on the car because its just so smooth. thats the same with all AWDs and not the same to FWD and RWD. so im mixed up as to what i want...maybe a 4dr with nice interior taht is AWD but wont cost me like a bitch. cuz the only cars that can stay par to that is the s4 and probably new m3 which is near 55Gs. -.-

*sigh* dammit man lol

and as to where i live, i see about 5 rx8s a day. no kidding one of the reasons why im thinkin about gettin somethign else. and to add to taht ,5 s2000s and 5 evos too, and my school actually has 5 G35s. the other car left is the STi which is actually my #1 right now... so...

and im battling to see which insurance is better.

Get the STi. If this is such a hard decision you don't deserve an RX-8 ;)

And if you're just getting a car because a lot of other people at your *school* don't have it, well... :rolleyes:

The STi would be my choice of the bunch, it's a better daily driver due to a slightly better ride than the Evo, handles great, Subaru is a good company to deal with in my experiences, and it's plenty fast with a lot more potential. Also it and the Evo are the least common of the bunch, they produce less than 1/5th the STis and Evos than they do RX-8s for the US so I don't know where some people in this thread are getting their info.

My breakdown would look something like this...

RX-8

Good: High revving, great looks, Nimble/great handling, Nice interior, Great brakes, RWD drifts, just a fun car to drive

Bad: Gutless compared to the other cars and lacking midrange grunt, Poor mileage for the performance, Less cargo and passenger room than the Evo and STi, Questionable reliability, Expensive go fast mods

Evo:

Good: Amazing handling and steering, great brakes, fast with more potential than any of the other cars, great seats, AWD confidence and launchs, more passenger and cargo room

Bad: Steering can be over sensitive during civilized driving, Harsh ride, Ho hum interior, Weak clutch, Mitsubishi woes, More lag than the STi

STi:

Good: Great handling, Great brakes, Lots of potential, Very fast, Nicer interior than the Evo, Boxer rumble, Lightning fast off the line, Very little lag and nice grunt down low, Gold wheels are sexy :p

Bad: A little understeer at the limits, Harsher than the RX-8 and G35, Fewer amenities than the G35 and RX-8

G35c:

Good: The most luxury and nicest interior, Great engine with lots of torque, Best highway cruiser, Clean sexy lines, Infiniti reliability and service, Good handler

Bad: A bit porky and the worst handler and least fun to drive in the bunch, Expensive mods, Rear headroom is the worst of the 4 seaters

S2K:

Good: Great nimble handling and brakes, High revving, Top down fun, Classic simple lines, Honda reliability, Best gearbox in this comparo

Bad: Least practical, Cramped interior and no cargo room, lacks some of the steering feel of the RX-8, Evo, and STi.

The rx-8 is the nicest looking car I can think of for under $40,000.

With a moderate level of performance and an ability to seat 4, a unique engine, and an extremely forgiving and amazing driving experience.

It was an easy pick for me.

Those are all fine cars. Take note of the little things though. Those are the things that will annoy you in the future.

The EVO 8 has no cruise control and more turbo lag than the STi.

The G35c has a back seat, but I wouldn't make my friends sit in it.

I don't have anything bad to say about the S2000 (except it is unaffordable to me :( ). I love that car.

There are also some who would say that all wheel drive takes away the soul of a sports car.

But in all actuality, I don't really have much bad to say about any of the cars.

I wouldn't turn my nose at any of those, and would quite probably enjoy any of em.

Oops, and Ike beat me to the punch.

Yep, not a bad car in the bunch, just need to figure out what fits you best.

Yup...pick your DRUG...you can't go wrong.

Also, you sould consider the new G35 4dr. It looks good and has 280-298HP (I forget) so you can take the kids on a daily roller coster...lol

I think, IF I ever HAD to have a 4dr I would go get the G35 4dr without thinking twice. It rides better, looks better, and is more comfortable than the EVO & STI...and it's pretty fast too.

You can always stick a SC in it and take that sucker to 400HP...good luck with your choice!

280hp for the AT G35 and 298 for the MT.

Just go on some test drives, you'll know what you want after that

Thanks Ike....yum yum, 298HP....such a sweet car....but is that for the 4dr also??? 6MT 4dr = 298HP?

As far as the least common comment "some people make" that is based on the fact that no other car looks like the rx-8, not that there are five times as many of them as STI and Evos. "They" just happen to share their body with massed produced pieces of shit called Lancer and Impreza.
As for as the performance goes the STI is the way to go. I have friends that have the STI and Evo MR and the Evo feels like a track car. You have to rev the hell out of it off the line (it's quick) yet very qirky. The STI fells much stronger and the body looks balanced and the interior is 100 time better except seat (feel) than the Evos.
Go drive them and see for yourself.

I believe with the new ones that's the case.

RX-8 ... nuff said :D

It all comes down to personal preference. Each car has its pros and cons, which Ike pretty much summed those up.

One major thing I like about the 8 is it can fill the "classy car" role or the "sporty car" role as needed. I suppose the G35 could do the same, but for a whole lot more money. The STi and Evo are basically economy cars that go really really fast, so you lose out on a whole lot of the comfort and class just by virtue of their roots. I'm leaving the S2000 out of this because it seems like you don't really want a 2 seater. Basically, if you want a sports car that can settle down and clean up real nice, look at the RX8 or the G35. If you want a car to race around in all the time and aren't really worried about the opulence of the interior, then go for the STi or Evo.

I like wannahave's and Ike's break down.

Since most people have given good pros and cons to each car here, I'll just go thru the reason I got my 8. First off, I've always liked the way it looked and it was the car I wanted to get from the start. But...

I eliminated the Z, S2000 because they were 2 seaters.

I eliminated the EVO, STi, WRX because I think they're ugly. They're starting to grow a bit on me (I thought the EVO looked better, but now I'm starting to think the STi isn't that bad) but they're still not good looking IMO. I was totally willing to give up the performance for a little higher "class". I wanted something that people in general would say "this is a nice car" instead of having only racers and people who know cars saying "this is a nice car".

I eliminated the G35 because two of my friends had them. If you have different cars, you can trade for a while and it's kinda like having two cars.

The 8 was uncommon and unique (rotary plus suicide doors). Sadly though the 8 is pretty damn popular now. I see them all over where I live (which is pretty much close to where you live). Too many people with nice cars here.

I dont know about that, even if the numbers show it. I live in Maryland and I see a hell lot more of EVO's and STI's than I see of the RX8. I may see 2-3 EVO's and STI's to every 1 RX8.

Ike, I guess I think you were pretty accurate in your assessment of all the vehicles although I question the "questionable reliability" of the 8. Is there any reason to think that the 8 is any less reliable than any of the other cars? I don't think that should come into play here.

If it were me, I would drop the S2K only because I couldn't own a convertible in Michigan. Otherwise it would be a tough choice between the rest. Probably drop the EVO because of Mitsubishi's woes, and if I took the 8 out of the equation, I would choose the STi because of the AWD unless the G35 comes with an AWD option (it would have to be the 298 hp version).

I said questionable reliability because it's a new platform, the history of the rotary, and also to a lesser degree because of the Consumer Reports rating (which I've always found to be pretty accurate). In this group you have 4 engines that have been around in one form or another and been rather reliable for over a decade, then you have the Renesis. I guess saying the reliability is a question mark would have conveyed the point I was trying to make better than questionable reliability.

The G35 does have an AWD option but only in the Sedan, and then I think it might only be available with the AT.

OK, Ike I can see where your coming from on that remark.. I sure hope I don't start seeing any "I just blew up my Renesis" threads any time soon. I am pretty confident that the car will hold up well.

And if the G35 coupe doesn't come with AWD, I guess the STi wins! I just am not a big fan of the styling.

There have been plenty of bad engines, in fact they ran out of their surplus in North America a few months after the car was released, but that discussion is for another thread :p

Get an 8 slap a turbo on it. It won't be "gutless" anymore (that was harsh Ike. you are on an 8 forum here :p ) and you'll have the best of all worlds; looks, power, handling, feel for under $35k.

Greddy turbo out right now makes it compete with the rest of the bunch but wont necessarily pull away from them. You'll still be behind the Sti and be competing with the evo but no doubt you'll dust the g35 and s2k. Power isnt everything I just wanted to point this out.

LOL damm thanks for input guys. my last question would be... WHICH IS BEST FOR INSURANCE?!

Hm, not sure about all the other cars, but the RX isn't classified as a sports car by a lot of companies, so it's probably going to be the cheapest (mine went up about $100 per 6mos from a Protege5).

well i drive an audi a4 1996 quattro manual, how much would any of these cars higher it by?

insurance depends on the state you live in, but my insurance classified my 8 as a four door sedan with a 1.3 liter eng. I pay less insurance then my wifes minivan... :)

Why not consider the Legacy as well or the Acura RL... I mean I know they weren't on your consideration list but coming from the A4 Quattro it seems these cars might be ones you would look at. Both of them are quite refined, you don't see them EVERYWHERE, and AWD. Sure the prices are maybe not what you're looking at but I'd still take a test drive if I were you =) Good luck with it!

-.- RL is like 50 thousand MORE. im only willing to spend 30,000 on my next car. and for legacy, it is alright but it doesnt make me go crazy and want to show off. legacy to me is just a sedan thats a bit tuned other thne that *vomit*

Did you check out the inside of the legacy...I was lookin at one at the car show...they are damn nice inside

the legacy is nice, and too bad we don't get the legacy STi over here... then you'd have a different view of it I'm sure

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...cc_tengreat09/

Er, don't they actually call it the Legacy B4, or is that a whole different trim level?

EVO- Incredibly great car but its still an ugly econosedan and simply does not look right from the rear angles. Plus Mitsubishi is a much shittier company than most as far as dealer support and overall quality of the purchase experience and warranty work. Basically you dont want to buy a new mitsu especially now and there will never be rebates on an evo. At the end of the day its a debatably attractive (you look like a F&F wannabe everywhere you go) 4 door sedan with lots of turbo boost.

STI- This one is tougher because the STI is a better all around daily car than the evo but still its fairly ugly and you only want it cause its got turbo and its fast.

s2000 - convertible, nuff said.

g35 - generic and heavy, there are a billion of these on the road.

The only reason you are even interested in the first 2 (other than practicality) is they are horribly fast. You really want the 8 you just want it to be faster. So why not give it more power somewhere down the line in the form of a turbo or supercharger or nitrous or whatever you want? The point is the 8 has a beautiful body and interior that you enjoy everyday you drive it, superior seating position and cockpit feel, and better overall driving experience (fun of rwd vs awd) compared to all those other cars and its got a freakin ROTARY the purest street racing motor that exists.

what is the highest power yu can tune the rx8 to? so far greddy turbo SUCKS and there are like no other turbos xcept re-ameniya but thats for auto. its so depressing to see rx8 lack parts. if the rx7 came out the same time, by now rx7 have lke 10 different turbos!!

The parts will come my son, you must be patient. I have no doubt that 300 rwhp turbo RX-8's will be fairly common in the near future. Enjoy the N/A reliability for a while and then when the time is right you can buy all the apex seals you want.

When a car first comes out the market will not be flooded with parts because

1. They have to be designed, built, and tested
2. Not many people have the car yet and there will be less of a market to sell to


I know spelling and grammar are hard, but if you just put a little effort into it, it makes you look much more coherent and it's easier for everyone to read.

No, the Impreza has and always will be known as an Impreza and under no other alias.

The Legacy was also released in it's own STi, skin... as you know STi is subaru's performance company much like Mugen is to Honda, SVT is to Ford, RalliArt is to Mitsubishi, Nismo is to Nissan, TRD is to Toyota etc. etc. etc... Subaru Technica International has released it's version of not only the Impreza WRX, but the Legacy and Forrester as well.

Take a look for yourself :

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts.html

Here is the Legacy STi page:

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts/bl...acy/index.html

It's not that simple to throw a turbo/super charger on an engine that was originally designed to be NA. You're taking a very big gamble of destroying your engine and breaking your drivetrain by introducing 1.5-2x the power. Certainly not something I would want to deal with, especially with the sketchy background of prevously boosted rotories.

As an EVO owner I'll tell you my likes and dislikes:

Likes:
- power
- AWD
- One of the most tuner friendly cars with loads of reliable power waiting to be uncorked.
- Seats. Some of the best seats I've ever sat in.
- Steering. The steering really gives this car a light, go-kart feel.
- Great driver feedback.
- practical. I was able to easily fit my Dad (6'0") shotgun and my father-in-law (6'5") right behind him. You can't do that with any of the other cars listed. This car also has a nice big trunk.
- standard DIN stereo. The RX8 and G35 are stuck with OEM stereos...hope they're good.
- visability. Other than the obstruction out the rear due to the wing, there are very small blind spots in this car.
- AWD launch. Closest thing to an aircraft carrier launch I'll ever get.

Dislikes:
- cheap paint. The paint is very thin so if you do go with the EVO I would suggest white or silver as they will not show swirl marks as much. If you're a great detailer and used great products then this won't be a big problem at all.

I've had my EVO for 26k miles and haven't had a single problem. The car has been more reliable than my wife's Mazda 6 which was purchased at the same time. No clutch issues to everyone dismay.

If I had to do it again, it would probably come down to the STi and EVO. My only problem with the STi is the rear end. I hate the way you see all the junk under the car and it only looks worse when you add a 3" exhaust. But I love that boxer rumble.

Like someone said earlier, you can't go wrong with any one of these cars. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses. I picked the EVO because I put a lot more value on performance than looks or luxery.

I guess there is just something that appeals to me about driving such an exotic car no matter how fast it is.