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ok ash good . thats settled then. i heard Jay Amestoy on the local radion news this morning say IF any of them are salvageable they will be sold as USED but withthe full warranty from the factory. thats going to be a nice package - used car price/new car discount. of course they have to inspect each car still. ANd yes someone did die but i dont believe it was the insurance man. it was on eof the early people on board to try to save the crew and ship.
i think i will try to work out a "local news outlet" field trip to the dock. get everyone in at once for their pics etc. wait until the cars are mostly off . |
its been on the news on the radio on several different stations several times since yestrerday
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Originally Posted by zoom44
its been on the news on the radio on several different stations several times since yestrerday
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Gee...some great bargains to be had with a full warranty also....." I wonder I if I could convert to RHD....naaa.......
PS...Thanks for the cake...LOL~~~~~ Only 30 totally trashed....I expected a lot more, considering the list on the MV Cougar Ace/Marty Johnson...those ties downs held well.. As far as the docks go.....here is my take...what do you think.. Shipping stock is paid for before it leaves Mazda Japan, so the actual owners are MNAO. I would not be surprised to see them covering any wire fencing etc to prevent the media and others filming. But, in the end someone will (Zoom) get the pics.. Here, and I am pretty sure its similar in the US. Only (we call them) 'warfies' are permitted to drive off rolling stock (Union bans/strikes if anyone else touches them), for customs reasons no one that is not authorised to do so can enter ship and or touch stock while in "Bond" store before they are released by customs. Here, stock stays in Bond and is released when taxes (duties,GST) are paid for each car as they are prepared for pre-delivery to the dealers...the reasons for this is so the distributor does not have to pay a massive one off check for all the cars to federal government departments...they pay it in lots as cars are released from Bond. Some models can stay in Bond for many months before pre-delivery to dealers...ie slow selling models. |
Yeah, as far as I know the guy that died was Mr.Marty Johnson a Naval Architect and Engineer.
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Darn Zoom!!!! You beat me to it, LOL. I just got to the newspaper and on the front of the Business section in the Oregonian it says the Cougar Ace was towed to the Port of Portland for repairs and that the cars on it would be sold as used.
Thought I might finally beat you to some information. :tear: |
So who is going to sell them - and what kind of a discount?
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OK, so we've got CX-7's Mazda3's (Any Mazdaspeed3's?) What else???
RX-8? Mazda6/MS6? MX-5? (Spec Miata anyone???) Mazda5? Can't think of anything else worth having right now, but anyone know?? Although I can guarantee the insurance guys, people at MNAO and the higher ups at the dealerships will have first dibs on the best ones. |
Originally Posted by Winfree
So who is going to sell them - and what kind of a discount?
That is the real question. I would assume they will be delivered to the dealers as planned, but who knows. I have emailed Mazda, and this was the response: Thanks for contacting Mazda. No final decisions have been made as of yet. Please continue to visit our website for updates regarding the shipment of vehicles that were aboard the Cougar Ace. Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. |
Where are you ZOOM!!??....have you got the Cougar Ace pics yet?
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My friend is having a hard time getting on this job due to some weird union stuff. So (shock) I doubt I'll be able to come through with pics. :(
Good luck Zoom! |
hey it takes time- i ve got to network thru alot of people plus im job hunting and taking care of my nearly 2 year old;)
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researchign this morning found this pretty good article from edmunds. cant remember reading it before so if its a repost sorry.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=116606 might as well link the other i am reading too http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_cougar-ace.html |
Only 41 of the 4,813 cars were found to have shifted. |
just checking in to see updates. Hopefully we can get some pics soon.
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was just at the Port building downtown. got acouple people to call who were on lunch. then im heading out to the Port to see if i cant at least get some pics today of the sahip at dock. dont want to just go up to the security point and say "let me in!!"
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show them your RX-8 administrator badge and they'll let you right in!! Good luck with the photos though Zoom...
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Originally Posted by zoom44
real numbers
At a guess there then should be very few with any actual panel damage...? As I posted earlier probably just fluid loss leaks and paint blemishes because of them... Gee, some great bargains for all.. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
Gee, some great bargains for all.. I wish I could get some news on pricing from Mazda. I heard something crazy like 70% off, but that cannot be true. I'd guess more like a thousand or two less than what dealers are doing with incentives on weekends. Which would still be pretty cheap (30% off ish). |
the oregonian is on board in my quest to get some more info- waiting to hear back from a couple of local tv news outfits. then i will be talking with Mazda with their backing :) Mazda has very effectively locked down any info from the port folks. a lady at the company that actually does the unloading actually apologised to me on the phone for not being able to say anything- she couldnt even say if the ship was still there or no. you could tell she was embarrassed. the Port media relations department was the same way.
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Why is it such a big deal? I don't see why they'd have anything to hide unless they would attempt to put get the cars back to market (but I doubt they'd do that underhandedly). Didn't they already say they were donating the cars?
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no that story changed along the way- many of the cars have no physical damage. basically the insurance company balked at the idea of paying for all of them until they were all off the ship and checked individually.
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Insurance companies are the same world wide...won't pay out unless they have to.
MNAO appears to have banned all media access, interesting to see the lengths they go to to protect Mazda's product "Image"... So far nothing surprises me and confirms what I said weeks ago....apart from the very low numbers of damaged cars...I think I originally said 10%. |
I wonder if any one of those would come to new york
IT would be pretty sweet dealer if they selling it as used and comes with Full Warranty coverage. |
first hand account from a longshoreman
I am one of the Portland Longshoreman unloading the Cougar Ace. It's slow going. We are pulling off 75 to 170 cars per shift. We are loading them onto one-car flatbed trailers pulled by Chevy pickups. I've only seen one damaged car myself (body damage); a silver CX7 with the rear quarter bashed in. We are cleaning off most of the cars with rags and spray bottles. They have battery acid and a mix of oils on them. Lot's of the cars are perfect looking, though all have indeed been on their sides. I'm not surprised the lashings held most of the cars. Those lashings are very strong and they are meant to pretty much hold a car to the deck no matter what. But some broke loose in the lower decks; cars slammed into other cars (side to side) and there are a few cars that are t-boned around deck poles. I have not see the lower 2 decks myself yet but my partners tell me that along the water side of the ship there are cars that were under sea water and you open them up and it's mold city. Judging from what decks I've been on and what I've heard, at least 90 percent of the cargo is good and good looking. I'm going back on the ship tonight and will update. Hauled out another 120 cars last night. There are about 20 or 30 that were a total loss. Totally submerged in salt water for a good spell. They were covered with algae and mold with rust creeping out of the cracks. I wouldn't want one of those. Can you imagine what the salt water has done to the electronics and all the sensors? Man! The walkers told me that they are going to the smasher. I steered one beautiful jet-black CX7 out of the 3rd deck from the top. Totally perfect except for a giant glass etching job from some battery acid dripping on the windshield. It needs new glass, but other than that, it's wonderful. lot's of the cars look perfect after we clean them up though. And most of the others just have little blobs of bad paint from the brake fluids and battery acid. Back to the ship tonight. thre were 4800 or so cars on board so at basically 100 per shift (they are pushing them off by hand) its slow going and will take awhile yet. Ive been told that this is actually starting to have an effect on thewhole west coast as the timing is starting to back things up at other ports etc. \hmm maybe i should get a job pushing cars at the port....... |
Thanks Zoom,
Yeah, Battery acid and brake fluid damage mainly, its pretty amazing that these cars are in such good condition |
Tho don't you think that acid/fluid will be all over the engine as well? I'm assuming it can't be good for rubber parts etc.
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id have to jon the ILWU local 8....
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My dad is a casual longshoreman and has been working on this ship. I haven't had a chance to ask him about it yet. Some weird union dispute has made it so all the fulltime longshoremen like my friend are forced onto other jobs and the casuals are stuck on the Cougar Ace. My dad isn't much of a storyteller, so I doubt he would have much to add to what Zoom posted.
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ask him how i can become a casual, please:) im serious- i dont have a job and i could push cars for a little while:)
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Originally Posted by zoom44
ask him how i can become a casual, please:) im serious- i dont have a job and i could push cars for a little while:)
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Originally Posted by zoom44
ask him how i can become a casual, please:) im serious- i dont have a job and i could push cars for a little while:)
It's extremely tough. Every few years they will open up about 50 casual jobs. Then hundreds of people will line up and apply. After that it's pretty much luck of the draw. Going from a casual to a permanent employee is even harder. If I hear they are going to accept applications (and I remember) I'll send you a PM. Anyway, I just talked to my dad so I asked him about the ship. He pretty much echoed what was already said. He has seen one car with extensive damage from smashing into a pillar. He saw several other cars with minor dents (maybe from falling debris?) My dad is a man of few words, he basically said the work is slow and easy. |
I was scanning the Mazda site for any new info and I saw the car list. It looks like about 200 RX8's were on the ship. I had no idea it was so many.
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here is the link
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ter=aboutPress only Mazda3s for Canada but i bet that set them back. the 3 outsells civic regularly in canada. not having stock must hurt. ohh 5 Mazdaspeed6s shame. quite afew MX-5s as well |
Also looks like about 30 MX-5 PRHT Models too in that mix...FX70's
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ouch..
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yeah i figured- there were supposed to be some here already. hope they salvage some.
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wonder is the cars will all come with a salvage title?
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Its been a month, I wonder if anyone has ran across one of these cars for sale on a used lot.
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well if you have they wouldnt have that many miles on it.
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I asked Mazda how one would go about buying one of these and they said to "keep checking their website for details"
Well, there hasn't been any details. I really wonder what their plan is. |
all the cars are off and have been sorted into fix and crush groups. the "fix" cars will be cleaned up and then sent out to the other normal mazda ports (including the 2 inland ports ) to get repaired and processed out to the dealers. this will still take some time. the insurance still has to settle on everything before the cars move.
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Thanks for the up date Zoom......
Can you put one ....MMMMM..... MX-5 PRHT in the post for me...:) |
When attorneys & insurance companies get tangled up, things will get delayed.
It’s not just dealing with damage claims. This is a very big transporter that is out of service. There has to be production inventory backlogging in Japan. About 20 years ago there was a damaged Toyota shipment here in Jacksonville. The Insurance company was so pissed at the litigation that they had a bunch of drivable cars sent to the crusher under Heavily armed guards! |
navigation
tragedy... all I want is a navigation system......
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Just saw that page 34 of December's Car and Driver has finally publicly made the Cougar incident known. A 2x3" picture of the cougar as well as a lil section talks about the incident.
Oddly, the 8 wasn't even mentioned to be on board...claims CX-7's and Mazda3's |
I know this had fallen off the map with my inability to get mazda to talk about it before or during 7stock. but i just got this report, written by my freind Mark Rechtin of Automotive news who helped during Mulligan gate and broke the story on the engine recall, it includes the final tally of the vehicles
December 15, 2006 Mazda to scrap all cars on board Cougar Ace Mark Rechtin LOS ANGELES -- Mazda North American Operations will scrap all 4,703 vehicles that were aboard the freighter Cougar Ace when it foundered at sea this year. Previously, Mazda stated it would have engineers evaluate all the vehicles to determine which to scrap or to sell through a used-car program. However, given that the provenance of the vehicles might come into doubt in several years' time, Mazda decided to avoid a potential customer-satisfaction nightmare by scrapping all the vehicles. The Cougar Ace went into a 60-degree list on its trans-Pacific run in July when its ballast was displaced, but the ship was towed into port and righted. Some of the cargo was under water. Other cars were dry, held in place by their mounts, and showed little visible sign of damage. "We just couldn't take the risk of there being unforeseen issues down the road," said Mazda spokesman Jeremy Barnes. "There were two camps of potential buyers. One was, 'Where can I get one cheap?' The others were worried they might get one by accident and weren't going to shop Mazda as a result." The tally of lost vehicles was 2,475 Mazda3 sedans, 329 Mazda3 five-doors, 56 Mazda5 minivans, 1,329 CX-7 crossovers, 214 RX-8 sports cars, 5 MazdaSpeed6 sedans and 295 MX-5 Miata convertibles. Although maritime insurance is a relatively convoluted process, the main insurer of the cargo was industry conglomerate ACE Ltd., based in Hamilton, Bermuda. |
dont want to say i told ya so ash my freind but........:D: i think you owe me a pint, mate!:)
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^pwnd!
Thanks zoom. Though this did make my mind rattle a bit in it's housing. This was soooo long ago . . . attention span failing . . . :rollingla |
Originally Posted by zoom44
dont want to say i told ya so ash my freind but........:D: i think you owe me a pint, mate!:)
Thats a lot of cars to scrap... Think of all that GOOD gear...engines, tranny's, diffs....etc,etc...such a waste.. :D: :D: ...had a good laugh on my other post....delete it Charlie if you want.. you should have started a new thread on this news, I did look at General first!! :D: So, yes, I do owe you a beer ..a slab (24,30,36 375mil cans)....MMMm.. is that... XXXX (Four EX) Queensland Beer.. Fosters West End "draught"...my beer.. Bud.. You better send me you postal address...hang on you probably will...I am getting deeper in...how about when you come to Australia... ALL those Mazda's....gee |
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