C&D 2007 10 Best List....RX8 says goodbye..
but two other Mazdas say hello.
BMW 3 series Chevrolet Corvette Chrysler 300 Honda Accord Honda Fit Infiniti G35 sedan Mazda MX-5 Mazdaspeed 3 Porsche Boxster and Cayman Volkswagen GTI ---------------------------------- And in other good news, no toyotas, no lexus, no subarus or m-b's to be found. :rock: |
Its to be expected.....Mazda didn't raise the bar for the 8, so it was a given. I agree with every car to be on that list except the Honda Accord and the fit. Those cars are Vanilla city! I test drove both and was blown away into bordem. Honda has turn the Accord into a Japanese Buick! And the Fit, well ...is just .... :puke:
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what do you mean didn't raise the bar? what about the great new interiors or the new exterior colours, no other car in our class improved nearly as much.
On a serious note however, I was driven around a track in turbo 8 after I did the track in mine, Mazda never did the car justice from day one and I am afraid it is going to die without ever getting a proper engine rotary or not. good on VW for finally doing a proper GTI. |
The Mazdaspeed 3 bumped the RX-8 in overall value, performance, refinement and style. Car and Driver can not put three Mazdas on the list.
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Originally Posted by Slick8
Car and Driver can not put three Mazdas on the list.
EDIT- Looked it up on C&D's website. It's been a while, but yes, there were 3 Hondas on the C&D 10Best list in '85 and '88. |
Top Ten Models
From 1983 through 2006, the following individual models were represented on the list the most times: Rank Model Number of wins 1 Honda Accord 20 2 BMW 3-Series 15 3 Chevrolet Corvette 12 4 Honda Prelude 10 5 Ford Taurus 7 5 Mazda Miata 7 5 Nissan 300ZX 7 5 Porsche Boxster 7 9 Acura Integra 6 9 BMW 5-Series 6 9 Honda Civic 6 Note: The Acura RSX and Acura Integra are similar models. The RSX's 2002 and 2003 wins would bring the Integra into 5th place if their numbers were combined. 1983 For the 1980s, Car and Driver picked five domestic and five import cars. Model Times on List AMC/Renault Alliance 1 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 1 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 5 Honda Accord 20 Mazda RX-7 5 Mercedes-Benz 380SEL 1 Pontiac 6000 STE 3 Porsche 944 4 Toyota Celica Supra 2 Volkswagen GTI Rabbit 3 Fastest car tested: Jaguar XJ-S HE, 142 mph Top-selling cars: Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Ford Escort Ford LTD 1984 Instituted the price cap at $30,000. Model Times on List Audi 5000 S/Turbo 5 Dodge Daytona Turbo 1 Honda Accord 20 Honda Prelude 10 Mazda 626 1 Pontiac 6000 STE 3 Pontiac Fiero 2M4 1 Porsche 944 4 Toyota Celica Supra 2 Volkswagen GTI Rabbit 3 Fastest car tested: Ferrari 308 Quattrovalvole, 144 mph Top-selling cars: Chevrolet Cavalier Ford Escort Ford LTD 1985 Price cap: $30,000 Model Times on List Audi 5000 S/Turbo 5 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 1 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Dodge Caravan 3 Honda Accord 20 Honda Civic 6 Honda CRX 2 Honda Prelude 10 Merkur XR4Ti 1 Plymouth Voyager 3 Pontiac 6000 STE 3 Porsche 944 4 Fastest car tested: Chevrolet Corvette, 150 mph Top-selling cars: Chevrolet Cavalier Ford Escort Chevrolet Celebrity 1986 Price cap: $30,000 Model Times on List Audi 5000 CS Turbo Quattro 5 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Honda Prelude 10 Lincoln Mark VII LSC 1 Mercury Sable 3 Porsche 944 Turbo 4 Saab 9000 Turbo 4 Toyota MR2 2 Volkswagen GTI 3 Fastest car tested: Porsche 944 Turbo, 157 mph Top-selling cars: Chevrolet Celebrity Ford Escort Chevrolet Cavalier 1987 Price cap: $30,000 Model Times on List Acura Integra 6 Audi 5000 CS Turbo 5 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Mustang GT 5 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 5 Pontiac Bonneville SE 1 Saab 9000 Turbo 4 Toyota MR2 2 Fastest car tested: Ferrari Testarossa, 176 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Escort Ford Taurus Chevrolet Cavalier 1988 Price cap: $35,000 Model Times on List Acura Integra 6 Acura Legend Coupe 3 Audi 5000 5 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Mustang 5 5 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Honda Civic 6 Honda CRX 2 Saab 9000 Turbo 4 Fastest car tested: Ferrari Testarossa, 173 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Escort Chevrolet Corsica/Beretta Ford Taurus 1989 Imports and domestics chosen by marque, not by place of manufacture. Price cap: $35,000 Model Times on List Acura Legend Coupe 3 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Dodge Colt Turbo 1 Ford Probe GT 3 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Honda Civic 6 Lincoln Continental 1 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo 4 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo 1 Plymouth Laser Turbo 4 Saab 9000 Turbo 4 Fastest car tested: 750iL V12, 158 mph Top-selling cars: Honda Accord Ford Taurus Ford Escort 1990 Eliminated half domestic/half import rule as impractical. Price cap: $35,000 Model Times on List Acura Legend Coupe 3 Eagle Talon Turbo 3 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Honda Civic 6 Lexus LS 1 Mazda Miata 7 Mazda MPV 2 Mercury Sable 3 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo 4 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 7 Nissan Maxima SE 3 Plymouth Laser Turbo 4 Fastest car tested: Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1, 175 mph Top-selling cars: Honda Accord Ford Taurus Chevrolet Cavalier 1991 New rule: No more than two places per marque. Price cap: $35,000 Model Times on List Eagle Talon Turbo 3 Ford Taurus 7 Honda Accord 20 Honda Civic 6 Mazda Miata 7 Mazda MPV V6 2 Mercury Sable 3 Mercury Tracer LTS 1 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo 4 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 7 Nissan Sentra SE-R 4 Plymouth Laser Turbo 4 Toyota Previa 1 Fastest car tested: Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1, 176 mph Top-selling cars: Honda Accord Ford Taurus Toyota Camry 1992 Price cap: $40,000 Model Times on List BMW 3-Series 325i 15 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan 1 Eagle Talon AWD Turbo 3 Ford Taurus SHO 7 Honda Prelude Si 10 Lexus SC SC400 4 Mazda Miata 7 Mitsubishi Eclipse AWD Turbo 4 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 7 Nissan Sentra SE-R 4 Plymouth Laser AWD Turbo 4 Toyota Camry V6 3 Fastest car tested: Ferrari F40, 197 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Taurus Honda Accord Toyota Camry 1993 Price cap: $40,000 Model Times on List BMW 3-Series 325i 15 Chrysler Concorde 2 Dodge Intrepid 4 Ford Probe GT 3 Honda Prelude Si VTEC 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 1 Lexus SC 4 Mazda RX-7 5 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 7 Nissan Sentra SE-R 4 Toyota Camry Sedans 3 Fastest car tested: Lamborghini Diablo, 204 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Taurus Honda Accord Toyota Camry 1994 Institution of the 2.5x price cap, now at $43,000. Model Times on List Acura Integra GS-R 6 BMW 3-Series 325i/325is 15 Chrysler Concorde 2 Dodge Intrepid 4 Eagle Vision 1 Ford Probe GT 3 Honda Accord EX 20 Honda Prelude VTEC 10 Lexus SC 4 Mazda RX-7 5 Toyota Supra Turbo 7 Nissan Sentra SE-R 4 Fastest car tested: Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1, 179 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Taurus Honda Accord Ford Escort 1995 Price cap: $46,000. Model Times on List Acura Integra GS-R 6 BMW 3-Series 328i/M3 15 Chrysler Cirrus LXi 3 Ford Contour 3 Honda Accord 20 Honda Prelude VTEC 10 Lexus SC 4 Mazda RX-7 5 Mercury Mystique 3 Toyota Supra Turbo 7 Nissan Maxima SE 3 Fastest car tested: Lamborghini Diablo VT, 185 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Taurus Honda Accord Toyota Camry 1996 Price cap: $48,000 Model Times on List Acura Integra 6 Audi A4 4 BMW 3-Series 328i/M3 15 Chrysler Cirrus 3 Chrysler Town and Country 2 Dodge Caravan 3 Dodge Stratus 2 Ford Contour 3 Honda Civic 6 Honda Prelude VTEC 10 Mercury Mystique 3 Toyota Supra Turbo 7 Nissan Maxima SE 3 Plymouth Voyager 3 Fastest car tested: Ferrari F355, 179 mph Top-selling cars: Ford Taurus Honda Accord Toyota Camry 1997 Price cap: $54,000 Model Times on List Acura Integra 6 Audi A4 4 BMW 3-Series 328i/M3 15 BMW 5-Series 6 Chrysler Cirrus 3 Chrysler Town and Country 2 Dodge Caravan 3 Dodge Stratus 2 Ford Contour 3 Honda Prelude SH 10 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class 2 Mercury Mystique 3 Plymouth Breeze 1 Plymouth Voyager 3 Toyota Camry V6 3 Fastest car tested: Dodge Viper GTS, 177 mph Top-selling cars: Toyota Camry Honda Accord Ford Taurus 1998 Price cap: $55,000 Model Times on List Audi A4 4 BMW 3-Series 328i/M3 15 BMW 5-Series 6 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Dodge Intrepid 4 Honda Accord 20 Honda Prelude 10 Lexus GS 3 Mazda Miata 7 Porsche Boxster 7 Fastest car tested: Ferrari F50, 194 mph Top-selling cars: Toyota Camry Honda Accord Ford Taurus 1999 Price cap: $59,000 Model Times on List BMW 3-Series 328i/M3 15 BMW 5-Series 6 BMW Z3 M Coupe/M Roadster 1 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Chrysler 300M 2 Dodge Intrepid 4 Honda Accord 20 Lexus GS 3 Mazda Miata 7 Porsche Boxster 7 Top-selling cars: Toyota Camry Honda Accord Ford Taurus 2000 Price cap: $61,000 Model Times on List Audi A6 2 Audi TT 2 BMW 3-Series 15 BMW 5-Series 6 Chrysler 300M 2 Ford Focus 5 Honda Accord 20 Honda S2000 4 Lexus GS 3 Porsche Boxster 7 Top speed recorded: Ferrari 360 Modena, 173 mph Top-selling cars: Toyota Camry Honda Accord Ford Taurus 2001 For 2001, Car and Driver created a separate "Five Best Trucks" award with a single winner in each of five categories. Top-selling vehicles: Ford F-Series Chevrolet Silverado Ford Explorer Ten Best Cars Price cap: $62,000 Model Times on List Audi A6 2 Audi TT 2 BMW 3-Series 15 BMW 5-Series 6 Chrysler PT Cruiser 1 Ford Focus 5 Honda Accord 20 Honda S2000 4 Mazda Miata 7 Porsche Boxster 7 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Toyota Highlander 1 Luxury SUV Acura MDX 1 Pickup Truck Chevrolet Silverado 3 Small SUV Ford Escape 1 Van Honda Odyssey 5 2002 Top-selling cars: Ford F-Series Chevrolet Silverado Toyota Camry Ten Best Cars Price cap: $66,000 Model Times on List Acura RSX 2 Audi A4 4 BMW 3-Series/M3 15 BMW 5-Series 6 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Focus 5 Honda Accord 20 Honda S2000 4 Porsche Boxster 7 Subaru Impreza WRX 2 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Honda Pilot 5 Luxury SUV Land Rover Range Rover 1 Pickup Truck Chevrolet Silverado 3 Small SUV Honda CR-V 2 Van Honda Odyssey 5 2003 Ten Best Cars Price cap: $66,000 Model Times on List Acura RSX 2 BMW 3-Series/M3 15 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Focus 5 Honda Accord 20 Infiniti G35 2 Mazda Mazda6 s 1 Nissan 350Z 1 Porsche Boxster 7 Subaru Impreza WRX 2 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Honda Pilot 5 Luxury SUV Volkswagen Touareg 1 Pickup Truck Chevrolet Silverado 3 Small SUV Honda CR-V 2 Van Honda Odyssey 5 2004 Ten Best Cars Price cap: $69,000 Model Times on List Acura TSX 3 Audi S4 Quattro 1 BMW 3-Series/M3 15 Chevrolet Corvette 12 Ford Focus 5 Honda Accord 20 Honda S2000 4 Infiniti G35 2 Mazda RX-8 3 Toyota Prius 1 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Honda Pilot 5 Luxury SUV Cadillac SRX 3 Pickup Truck Ford F-Series 3 Small SUV Subaru Forester 3 Van Toyota Sienna 1 2005 Ten Best Cars Price cap: $70,000 Title Model Times on List Luxury Sedan Acura RL 1 Sports Sedan Acura TSX 3 Luxury Sports Sedan BMW 3-Series M3 15 Performance Car Chevrolet Corvette 12 Full Size Sedan Chrysler 300C 2 Wagon Dodge Magnum 1 Muscle Car Ford Mustang GT 5 Family Sedan Honda Accord 20 Sports Coupe Mazda RX-8 3 Luxury Sports Car Mercedes-Benz SLK 2 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Honda Pilot 5 Luxury SUV Cadillac SRX 3 Pickup Truck Ford F-Series 3 Small SUV Subaru Forester 3 Van Honda Odyssey 5 2006 Ten Best Cars Price cap: $70,000 Title Model Times on List Sports Sedan Acura TSX 3 Sport Compact Audi A3 1 Luxury Sport Sedan BMW 3-Series 15 Performance Car Chevrolet Corvette 12 Full Size Sedan Chrysler 300C 2 Muscle Car Ford Mustang GT 5 Family Sedan Honda Accord 20 Roadster Mazda Miata 7 Sports Coupe Mazda RX-8 3 Luxury Sports Car Porsche Boxster 7 Five Best Trucks Title Model Times on List Large SUV Honda Pilot 5 Luxury SUV Cadillac SRX 3 Pickup Truck Ford F-Series 3 Small SUV Subaru Forester 3 Van Honda Odyssey 5 2007 Ten Best Cars Price cap: $70,000 Title Model Times on List BMW 3-Series 16 Chevrolet Corvette 13 Chrysler 300C 3 Honda Accord 21 Honda Fit 1 Infiniti G35 Sedan 3 Mazda MX-5 Miata 8 Mazdaspeed3 1 Porsche Boxster / Cayman 8 Volkswagen GTI 4 |
Originally Posted by RX8-79
And in other good news, no toyotas, no lexus, no subarus or m-b's to be found. :rock:
On another note, I see that the Acura TSX was dropped from the list. |
Originally Posted by Chris_Bangle
what do you mean didn't raise the bar? what about the great new interiors or the new exterior colours, no other car in our class improved nearly as much.
On a serious note however, I was driven around a track in turbo 8 after I did the track in mine, Mazda never did the car justice from day one and I am afraid it is going to die without ever getting a proper engine rotary or not. good on VW for finally doing a proper GTI. I meen Mazda never further develoved the RX-8 ....usually after 2 years of a cars life , there is a refresh, not just of new colors and interior upgrades, but tweaks in chassis,suspension and HP improves for both manual and automatic models.As newer cars come out with more advanced technology in these areas mentioned, it becomes harder for the 8 to compete. Thus leaving the consumer to look elsewhere. Oh , and have you been following te progress of the 350Z, a car that is in our class, also the S2000. Both cars had major refinements in the areas that i mentioned. |
Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
I meen Mazda never further develoved the RX-8 ....usually after 2 years of a cars life , there is a refresh, not just of new colors and interior upgrades, but tweaks in chassis,suspension and HP improves for both manual and automatic models.As newer cars come out with more advanced technology in these areas mentioned, it becomes harder for the 8 to compete. Thus leaving the consumer to look elsewhere.
Oh , and have you been following te progress of the 350Z, a car that is in our class, also the S2000. Both cars had major refinements in the areas that i mentioned. |
Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
I meen Mazda never further develoved the RX-8 ....usually after 2 years of a cars life , there is a refresh, not just of new colors and interior upgrades, but tweaks in chassis,suspension and HP improves for both manual and automatic models.As newer cars come out with more advanced technology in these areas mentioned, it becomes harder for the 8 to compete. Thus leaving the consumer to look elsewhere.
Oh , and have you been following te progress of the 350Z, a car that is in our class, also the S2000. Both cars had major refinements in the areas that i mentioned. |
Sorry can't see emotions through my screen.....lol :cwm27:
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I think this is a symptom of being owned by an american car company which is on a 10-15 year redesign schedule...:p
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I think it's a little weird how C&D does their top 10. They give huge points for past winners simply because they're past winners. And cars can only get onto the list their first year in production or when they get major updates. It's just like American politics -- favored for incumbents.
They need to make it so that any car can get on the list at any time. It may make things harder for them and they may end up with lists that are very similar to the way they're done now, but it's just dumb on principle. If a car barely missed the cut it's debut year and then the car that edged it out was no longer produced the following year, shouldn't the car that barely missed it at least get another look? |
Originally Posted by saturn
If a car barely missed the cut it's debut year and then the car that edged it out was no longer produced the following year, shouldn't the car that barely missed it at least get another look?
But really, do you think this has ever happened? The state of automotive engineering and design rolls along so quickly, I doubt that it has. If anything, it's amazing that ANY car can stay "on top" for three years or more without a redesign. |
Originally Posted by saturn
I think it's a little weird how C&D does their top 10. They give huge points for past winners simply because they're past winners. And cars can only get onto the list their first year in production or when they get major updates. It's just like American politics -- favored for incumbents.
They need to make it so that any car can get on the list at any time. It may make things harder for them and they may end up with lists that are very similar to the way they're done now, but it's just dumb on principle. If a car barely missed the cut it's debut year and then the car that edged it out was no longer produced the following year, shouldn't the car that barely missed it at least get another look? If you were not one of the 10 best cars on the market this year and you make no improvements, then why would you be one of the 10 best cars next year? Car and Driver is the only magazine to have a top ten list where all of the cars are actually compared. They take all of the cars out together and test them head to head. They dont just pick the best cars from a list, based on prior test drives, like every other magazine or website. By the way which car was on the list last year and is no longer in production now? A quick look over the list, the last time a car made the 10 best and dissappeared the next year... drumroll.... 1995, RX7. |
Eh. I don't need a magazine to tell me I bought a good car.
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Originally Posted by Rootski
Eh. I don't need a magazine to tell me I bought a good car.
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Originally Posted by Rootski
Eh. I don't need a magazine to tell me I bought a good car.
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Originally Posted by jdm knowledge
what car would that be?
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