i wondering if having tons of 128s poping up all over the place would cheapen the prestige of the bmw brand. I could care less personally but it could have over reaching implications affecting bmw's market and revenue in positive and negative ways. Then again the B class benz didnt seem to do too well in the states.

That's because BMWs are performance machines and Benzs are luxury cars. The major differences between a entry level Beamer and a high end one is enterior and features. Since Benzs are known to be luxury cars, a entry level would not be perceived the same way. Take away the high end luxury of a Benz and you now have an unreliable POS. Take away the high end luxury of a BMW and you still have a kick ass performance car.

Ewf, that rear end looks seriously low budge'. Those frumpy, excessively curvy rear lights match nothing about the car and frankly look like they belong on a Hyundai.

from the perspective of an auto enthusiast yes, but im pretty sure 90% of the general public bmw buyers buys it for the blue-white propeller rather than the performance.

the 318ti in the early 90s certainly didnt cheapen the prestige and was fairly successful and didnt cheapen the buying experience for a 5 7 or 8 series. You have to realize in the european market small cheaper bmws and other luxury german cars (bmw 316s 318s 120s 125s audi a2s a4s with 1.6s ) are as ubiquitous as accords and camrys are here. In fact accords and camrys are rarer in western europe.

i dont think 318 still a 3 series is very comparable to a 1 series, nor does looking at the european market give a good indication of the US market where we like big sofas in our cars. who knows whats going to happen though, time will tell.

the 318 was relatively small:
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/318ti.jpg

Cerainly impressive, I still think I like the 8 better

I like what i am seeing but one thing i am not seeing is an LSD. instead you get some electronic nanny that taps the brakes for you.

Autoblog says the car launches in spring 08.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/18/s...-bmw-1-series/

does anyone know how much it weighs?

For tons of info check 1addicts.com. I think its something like 1520kg but that includes 75kg for driver and luggage or something so the best guess is around 3,200lbs

I'm probably going to get a 135i for my next car but it won't be for a few years. I like the idea of a car that gets 30 mpg on the highway but has over 300 hp.

If not the 135i then I might look for another Mini Cooper S.

I think this is a very cool car. When it comes I'll go take a look for sure.

Try these:

http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/more3.jpg

http://edbmw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/more2.jpg

More at http://edbmw.com/blog/2007/06/28/bmw...-press-photos/

If BMW really brings this car to market at a competitive price point I believe we're seeing the making of the next automotive cult classic sold in America...like the 1st generation Miata, '02 Subaru WRX, and the '70 Nissan 240Z.

Brochure
 

If you guys want to check out the brochure, here it is:
1 series brochure

Alpine white with aluminum trim and coral red leather interior for me!

Yeah, I like Ike's taste!!...;)

!!!!!!!!!Noice!!!!!!!

2 Door (White with Red Leather) is the way to go, IMO one of the best looking BM's in their 2007 line-up.

It will be priced in low- to mid-30s, a few K above RX-8, a few K below 3-series.

If the car sells well, we will have tens of thousands of disillusioned BMW buyers by 2011 - around the time they have the first out-of-warranty encounter with BMW service 'engineers' working on their cars.

about the 318ti... i once saw an engine swap from a 545i. they took the v8 in it, and mated it with an m5 transmission i believe. 345ti anyone? heck yes.

weight for the 135i is 3384lbs, about 400 lbs heavier than an RX-8 in sport trim.

Thats the EU unladen weight which includes 90% tank filling, 68kg for driver, and 7kg for luggage. Since your Rx-8 weight isn't an EU weight, that gap will narrow to under 200 lbs. All that with an extra 100 or so whp and wtq.

The base 128i is going to be about 3100 and the 135i a little over 3200lbs. Still a bit porky for such a small car, but not so much that it'll ruin the fun. I think a 2007 sport is listed at 3045 now.

I heard about the car a fe months ago and fell in love. I want one!

Thats why you don't take an out of warranty BMW to a dealer, or an out of warranty any brand to a dealer. You take it to an indie or fix it yourself.

cool, thanks for clearing that up.

Looks like someone found a full list of standard features and options for MY08:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1685

Im really liking Montego Blue with Terracotta and Alum.

Just drove the 135i.... in the GT5 demo. :)

FWIW, it's a very fun and nimble handling car in the game, able to hold it's own against stock Evo Xs. The sound of the dual turbos is pretty sweet.

BTW, the physics modeling on the GT5 is much improved, especially tire traction dynamics and weight transfers. The cockpit view is very nice too.

lol me to . cockpit looks really i agree with you? btw they are suppose to unlock the IS, and other cars once Tokyo motor show ends or begins, i cant remember. btw the car you cant see is the STI new model.

Looks like the 3394 is actually the curb weight not the UK unladen weight. I think BMW just uses the term unladen to mean that it is not loaded. If you check the unladen weight numbers for the 335i they match the curb weight of the vehicle.

i hurry up this photo taking of the 1 series in GT5
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...uice/gt5-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...ajuice/gt4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...ajuice/gt3.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...ajuice/gt2.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...ajuice/gt1.jpg

haha, oh wow they even show the nav and everything, thats pretty cool

Interesting it will have a staggered set up.

Well, the latest information from Car and Driver says that it is even worse than that.

"We drove only the 135i coupe, which is expected to start in the high $30,000s and is powered by the excellent twin-turbo, direct-injection 3.0-liter inline-six which you already know from the 335i coupe and sedan. This powerhouse also won the International Engine of the Year Award—twice. Fitted into this 3450-pound 135i—yes, the 1-series is only about 100 pounds lighter than an equivalent 3-series—the 300-hp engine sounds fabulous and spins up quickly to its 7000-rpm redline." [emphasis added by me]

Full story can be found here:
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...5i.html?al=124

3450 pounds! Holy smokes! If this really is true, what is the point of this car? The more information I hear, the more it sounds like the 1-series is only going to be slightly less heavy and slightly less money than the 3-series. I am really bummed by how heavy this thing turned out to be.

Cheers

I'm upset by this as well. I was hoping it would come in MUCH closer to 3000lbs...

C&D weighed the 335i coupe and it came in at 3366 and several other owners have weighed in around the 3200-3300 lb range... so the 135i will be right around 3000 - 3200 lbs range

it all depends on what options are in the car, you cant generalize the rx8 to a certain weight because the sport version is nearly 80-90 lbs less. I think we can safely say that it will be between 2000-6000 lbs :P

Wrong. At best it will be 3380.

so are you saying car and driver lied when they put their 335i coupe from this years Lightning Lap comparo on the scales and it weighed in at 3366, or you think the 135i will be heavier then the 335i? :rolleyes:


BMW unladen weights contain 150lb driver, 15 pounds of luggage, and a 90% full tank...

I like this car a lot, I was considering a 335i, but this might just do the trick

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/02/b...ooning-ensues/

some reviews are up, for all your crazy weight freaks
its only about 130lb less than the 335, at 3440lb

3440? HOW? Are the doors made of lead?

BMW themselves say the 335i coupe's unladen weight is 3571; everywhere else I look the weight is at least 3550. C&D even stated 3557. Not sure what C&D was smoking with the article you read, but it must have been better than what everyone else is smoking.

Also, the new Tii concept appears to be the 3200 pound car we were all hoping the 135i would have been. The 135i is 3373 right from BMW's mouth.

It will be a tough decision when Mazda drops the new 2800 pound rotary coupe...

BMW announced the price today accidentally.
The car is not only too heavy, but too expensive.
Base price of the 135i is 35,675. Fully loaded, just over 52k.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/15/b...es-135i-at-35/

I was hoping they'd start at around 32k and I could load it up to about 40k.. but man.. 35k doesn't give much room. It really annoys me that BMW almost always gets MSRP for their cars too. I paid invoice for my 8... unless I know the dealer, that isn't gonna happen on a bimmer. Nice profit for them, I guess. Here in TX, people are paying about 2-3% more than MSRP for the 335i..

bah.

I don't get why you and many people on Bimmerforums are surprised by the pricing. It's about what most speculated the pricing would be...

I'm not surprised. I'm just disappointed.

I had hoped that the baseline 135i would be the same as the baseline 3 series. It's close, but not quite there. It makes purchasing a 1 series a lot harder to justify.

I know what you mean, but I expected this. Optioned out the way I'd want it the car will be right at 40k. At that point my fiance will be rightfully pissed at me for pirchasing one when we're paying for a wedding and home improvement stuff. For some reason an Evo or STI in the low to mid 30s doesn't phase her though...

Between the weight, the lack of LSD, the sunroof, and the fact that there are going to be a bunch of dady's girls driving them around I had decided against the car a few weeks ago. The price of one optioned out the way I want it just confirms that I'm better off with the new STI, Evo X, or just keeping my current Evo.

It's kinda tempting to just pay off my Evo and mod the hell out of it and get a used M3, 335, or G37 in a couple years.

The lack of the LSD doesn't bother me too much because it does have an electronically controlled diff, and if you don't like that, you can probably drop the late M3 diff in there for not too much money.

My plan was to buy a new car next year around spring and this was the top candidate. I wanted to stay under 40k too so I could keep my payment under $500 a month. It's just not realistic now. I'd want it optioned up to about 40k as well. For that money, I could buy a decently equipped 335i.

Just do European Delivery, the Euro Delivery base price is a lot less. Tack on some profit for the dealer and there you go.

This is the Euro Delivery pricing for the 335i:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/pricin...92_Pricing.pdf