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gwilliams6 01-27-2018 09:41 AM

2018 Mazda 6 Turbo
 


Brettus 01-27-2018 12:36 PM

It has a siamese port just like the Renesis !!!!:eek:

Also , he talks about exhaust scavaging but no details on how that is done ...

nicklevin1979 04-22-2018 12:28 AM

finally going to turbo to give the 6 some more pep!

wannawankel 04-22-2018 10:02 AM

Now we just need a factory turbo in the Miata...

UnknownJinX 04-22-2018 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by wannawankel (Post 4858436)
Now we just need a factory turbo in the Miata...

Nah. That would ruin it IMO.

I prefer the direct response of the NA and supercharged engines.

My favorite thing about my stick shift 8 is just the seamless, direct response when you press on the gas. No turbo to spool up and laaaag, or I may as well drive an auto trans.

Leave the whole turbo thing to hot hatches. A new MazdaSpeed 3 would be interesting.

All that said, I'd like to dream about a rotary Miata. That would be great.

Brettus 04-23-2018 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by UnknownJinX (Post 4858449)
Nah. That would ruin it IMO.

I prefer the direct response of the NA and supercharged engines.

My favorite thing about my stick shift 8 is just the seamless, direct response when you press on the gas. No turbo to spool up and laaaag, or I may as well drive an auto trans.

Leave the whole turbo thing to hot hatches. A new MazdaSpeed 3 would be interesting.

All that said, I'd like to dream about a rotary Miata. That would be great.

yeah ....it's really horrible having to wait 0.5 seconds to get double the torque :Freak_ani

UnknownJinX 04-23-2018 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4858468)
yeah ....it's really horrible having to wait 0.5 seconds to get double the torque :Freak_ani

Or you could get a bigger displacement NA engine with more torque and instant response. There is a reason why people say no replacement to displacement, and that even extends to rotaries to an extent. Of course, a bigger engine will throw the weight balance off and affect handling.

I actually talked to a WRX(not STI) owner once. He told me that one complaint he has with the car is that the turbo can kick in at the wrong time(like during the middle of a turn at AutoX) and throw you off.

If Mazda is about driver and car being one, then turbo would be a minus because even a 0.5 second delay is a delay. For a family car, this is alright, but on a sports car, I'd rather not have that.

The only way around the lag is an electric turbo system like that in the new NSX and some Audis. No lag at all according to reviews, but systems like this are very expensive.

Loki 04-23-2018 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4858468)
yeah ....it's really horrible having to wait 0.5 seconds to get double the torque :Freak_ani

0.5 seconds is like 30-40 meters at race speed ;)

NotAPreppie 04-23-2018 09:33 AM

I wouldn't expect there to be any turbo lag if you're driving it properly. Peak torque is made at 2k RPMs and peak power is at 5k. I'd bet if you kept the RPMs above 3500 you wouldn't notice any turbo lag.

If Mazda designed the SkyActiv engine family like they did the MZR family (and why wouldn't they?), I'd bet any SkyActiv engine will bolt up to the ND gearbox and mouth to the ND subframe. It would just be a matter of making it fit in the space available (probably new exhaust/intake plumbing).

Brettus 04-23-2018 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by NotAPreppie (Post 4858485)
I wouldn't expect there to be any turbo lag if you're driving it properly. Peak torque is made at 2k RPMs and peak power is at 5k. I'd bet if you kept the RPMs above 3500 you wouldn't notice any turbo lag.

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100% ! I'd wager Mazda will size the turbo and set it up such that lag will be unnoticeable.

UnknownJinX 04-23-2018 12:33 PM

That could work, but if I remember correctly a smaller turbo would also run out of breath at higher RPM range.

I have driven a Jetta TSI with the 1.4T engine. They use a very small single-scroll turbo and the lag is not very noticeable. Very peppy low-end, but passing people on highway is a bit difficult.

NotAPreppie 04-23-2018 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by UnknownJinX (Post 4858517)
That could work, but if I remember correctly a smaller turbo would also run out of breath at higher RPM range.

I have driven a Jetta TSI with the 1.4T engine. They use a very small single-scroll turbo and the lag is not very noticeable. Very peppy low-end, but passing people on highway is a bit difficult.

Downshift.

UnknownJinX 04-23-2018 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by NotAPreppie (Post 4858518)
Downshift.

It was an automatic and I was flooring it, so it is already in the lowest gear possible.

MattMPS 04-23-2018 12:54 PM

if you drive the fiat 124 and mx-5, you can easy understand that driving a small roadster with a NA engine with a response directly linked from gas pedal to rear wheels is a better driving experience, turbo engines have lag (even small ) and a totally different torque delivery . at high rpms (where the fun is greater) they die in all cases.

a more powerful NA engine is the best option for a more performing MX-5.

the 1.5 liter engine is almost more fun to drive than the 2.0 , is not about performances , is about revving.

UnknownJinX 04-27-2018 11:59 PM

^Oh yeah, I just remembered that we have the Fiat 124.

If you want a turbo Miata, buy a Fiat 124.

UnknownJinX 05-01-2018 07:13 PM

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Got to see a 6 Turbo at the dealer since I needed an alignment and a switch.

What a looker. My friend said it's a lot classier compared to the new Accord.

Didn't drive it, but the interior is pretty nice. One thing to note is that the cooled seats actually suck air in, unlike most other cars where they blow air out. Worked very well.

Still no CP or AA, though. Come the f**k on, Mazda...

neit_jnf 05-02-2018 06:20 AM

The car was asking to be driven! why didn't you?

That turbo looks easy to upgrade :squint: :naughty:

NotAPreppie 05-02-2018 07:19 AM

Off-duty Lyft driver decided to pass my wife on the left... while she was turning left.

So, depending on the repair estimate, I may be test driving one of these fairly soon.

zoom44 05-02-2018 09:02 AM

ouch.is she ok?

acroy 05-02-2018 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by MattMPS (Post 4858520)
if you drive the fiat 124 and mx-5, you can easy understand that driving a small roadster with a NA engine with a response directly linked from gas pedal to rear wheels is a better driving experience, turbo engines have lag (even small ) and a totally different torque delivery . at high rpms (where the fun is greater) they die in all cases.

a more powerful NA engine is the best option for a more performing MX-5.

NA FTW in 'sports' cars

9krpmrx8 05-02-2018 10:48 AM

FWD AUTO, how exciting.

UnknownJinX 05-02-2018 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by neit_jnf (Post 4859285)
The car was asking to be driven! why didn't you?

That turbo looks easy to upgrade :squint: :naughty:

The car is marked above MSRP right now. Dealer wants 40k before tax for the GT, while my friend said it's 36k on the web.

We will test drive it later this year when he actually will buy it.

Oh, and he was already asking how to make the car faster on the way back home, LOL. I think it should be tunable, just like most turbo cars.


Originally Posted by NotAPreppie (Post 4859290)
Off-duty Lyft driver decided to pass my wife on the left... while she was turning left.

So, depending on the repair estimate, I may be test driving one of these fairly soon.

Wow. Is she alright?

I recall having a conversation about Uber with the taxi driver when I was getting home from the dealer(waiting for the alignment to be done). After learning how Uber/other rideshare service works, I am actually glad that we don't have it in BC.


Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 (Post 4859305)
FWD AUTO, how exciting.

Came from an Accord Coupe V6 auto, it did get boring after a while for me, but I think the main reason is that it's an auto, not so much with the FWD.

Buddy has a tuned GTI w/6-speed and he has fun with it. If I want a balance between practicality and fun, I would definitely get an FWD hot hatch with stick shift.

SayNoToPistons 05-02-2018 01:07 PM

While it does have its place in the market against the Honda Accord and Camry, it is also riding on an outdated FWD chassis. I'm sure Mazda is well aware of that and has plans to spearhead their "upmarket" strategy with a RWD chassis.

UnknownJinX 05-02-2018 01:21 PM

Hmm, the Sedan market isn't doing all that well in general, though. Will Mazda pour money into R&D of a new RWD chassis for a Sedan?

MattMPS 05-02-2018 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by UnknownJinX (Post 4859324)
Hmm, the Sedan market isn't doing all that well in general, though. Will Mazda pour money into R&D of a new RWD chassis for a Sedan?

Yes, but only because that platform will be the base for the next gen SUV-CUV Cx5-8-9 from 2021 onward. obviously with AWD versions.


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