2010 Camaro V6 Vs. Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track
04-29-2009, 11:41 AM
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2010 Camaro V6 Vs. Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track
I don't know how many of you caught this, over at Motortrend. I personally think the Camaro is miles better than the Genesis.
Link: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ack/index.html
Link: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ack/index.html
04-29-2009, 12:41 PM
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Have you sat in one? I have with the SS and it is not miles better than the Genesis. maybe straightline performance... and even so it will be a close. But in terms of fit and finish, the Camaro is miles BEHIND the Genesis C. Once you factor in the price, the SS Camaro will only appeal to the most diehard muscle car fanbois.
05-04-2009, 10:22 AM
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I guess C/D did the same thing and put the Camaro in the lead.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Here's an interesting analysis of the C/D review.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/edi...nesis-comparo/
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Here's an interesting analysis of the C/D review.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/edi...nesis-comparo/
05-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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Yeah i got a chance to read the article over the weekend. Close challange by the way, the Camaro only edged out the Genesis by 1 point if i recall. I am really glad GM finally got off there lazy butts and gave the public a ballzy V6 in one of there vehicles.
They also mentioned how the shifter in the Genesis wasn't very good. How the car rode was meh, etc. But overall it was fun to drive. They did make the point that a simple refinement could change all of the negatives, so it wouldn't suprise me if the Genesis 2.0 would be spot on next go around.
Still wouldn't buy one...lol
They also mentioned how the shifter in the Genesis wasn't very good. How the car rode was meh, etc. But overall it was fun to drive. They did make the point that a simple refinement could change all of the negatives, so it wouldn't suprise me if the Genesis 2.0 would be spot on next go around.
Still wouldn't buy one...lol
05-04-2009, 11:59 AM
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Have you sat in one? I have with the SS and it is not miles better than the Genesis. maybe straightline performance... and even so it will be a close. But in terms of fit and finish, the Camaro is miles BEHIND the Genesis C. Once you factor in the price, the SS Camaro will only appeal to the most diehard muscle car fanbois.
You lost all credibility with me when you starting talking about the SS. The article compares V6 models and I think most would agree that the 'maro is the best over all package -Design, Performance, Execution- against the Genesis.
05-05-2009, 04:52 PM
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I think the interior of the Camaro won't be as bad as everyone says. EVERYONE said the Corvette's interior was garbage and cheap and plasticy and I sat in a C6 coupe last week and it was NICE. All those gross interior rumors came from the C5 (dad owns one so I know). GM isn't retarded, especially these days. They know the bad rumors that come with American cars and so far they've been proving everyone wrong. I doubt very much they're going to just throw a cheap *** interior in their new savior. Cheap compared to a Benz maybe, but I'm sure its at least up to the sports car standard as far as quality goes. And keep in mind, its a Camaro. Its not supposed to have an uber fancy high tech interior. Thats like a Kia with a cast-iron 9L pushrod V10. WTF?
Also another thing, Hyundai has never done a car like the Genesis before. There will be errors and recalls done. Not because Hyundai half-assed it, its just they've never done this before. There will be problems they couldn't have forseen and they're learn and improve from it.
Anyway both cars ftl. Chevy Camaro 2SS manual ftw!
Also another thing, Hyundai has never done a car like the Genesis before. There will be errors and recalls done. Not because Hyundai half-assed it, its just they've never done this before. There will be problems they couldn't have forseen and they're learn and improve from it.
Anyway both cars ftl. Chevy Camaro 2SS manual ftw!
05-05-2009, 05:05 PM
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05-05-2009, 05:22 PM
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A one point win - what a joke! And look at the 'gotta have it' for the Camaro was it like 6 points up...what a pile of crap that mag is...the Genesis is far from perfect but it surely equaled and in many cases beat that overweight plastic bathtub slit view pile of GM retro steel in virtually every test and category.
Die GM die will yea? Pretty please?
05-06-2009, 01:20 AM
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I guess C/D did the same thing and put the Camaro in the lead.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Here's an interesting analysis of the C/D review.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/edi...nesis-comparo/
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Here's an interesting analysis of the C/D review.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/edi...nesis-comparo/
05-06-2009, 12:53 PM
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nope, here it is.
Even the most even-handed comparison tests reflect a specific set of specifically weighted criteria. Then there are those that aren’t even-handed. Car comparison tests don’t come much more tilted than the “Camaro vs. Genesis” comparison test in the June 2009 Car and Driver.
Let’s begin with the cover, which shows the Camaro nosing ahead of the Hyundai on a track and includes three bits of information on each car. The first, base prices: $23K for the Chevrolet Camaro, $26K for the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Open the magazine and you’ll find that C&D rejected a Camaro LS for its awful upholstery and mediocre tires. Upgrade to the LT, like they did, and two-thirds of the Camaro’s price advantage goes away. Adjust for remaining feature differences, and the cars’ prices are generally only a few hundred dollars apart.
Next on the cover, fuel economy: 29 MPG for the Camaro, 26 MPG for the Hyundai. EPA highway figures, of course. The city figures are an identical 17. In C&D’s testing, the Hyundai went slightly farther on a gallon of gas.
The third bit of information, horsepower: 304 for the Camaro, 306 for the Genesis Coupe. Not as potentially misleading as the other two bits. And yet, unsaid on the cover: the Camaro is over 300 pounds heavier. The Hyundai has a significantly better power-to-weight ratio.
In the actual comparo, the Camaro wins (as suggested by the cover photo). By a single point. Actually check the details, and you’ll find that, despite the connotations of that cover photo, the Camaro trailed the Genesis Coupe in every track test—acceleration, handling and braking—sometimes by a substantial margin. Moving to the subjective scoring, C&D rated the Genesis Coupe more “fun to drive” by a not insignificant two points. They note a few times that the Camaro feels too big because of its size, mass, and small windows, and that it doesn’t invite precise steering inputs.
So how did the Genesis Coupe lose? First, ride quality—affected by the optional Track Package on the car C&D tested. The buff book notes that they cycled through three Camaro test vehicles before settling on the one they liked best for the test. Why, then, didn’t they also evaluate the Genesis Coupe without the Track Package?
Even the four point spread in ride quality––a huge difference as scoring in these tests tends to go––wasn’t enough to fully erase the Hyundai’s lead in nearly every other category. To give the Camaro a one-point victory, C&D resorted to the score of last resort: “gotta have it.” The reviewers gave the new Chevrolet Camaro a monstrous six-point advantage. That’s 22 vs. 16, out of 25 in a 110% subjective category.
To put it bluntly, the Camaro won this comparison test because, in C&D’s estimation, people want it more. Chalk one up to the power of a name and an effective PR campaign. [ED: Or ad revenue.]
Even if we grant that “gotta have it” belongs in the scoring table at all––and I don’t, since I’d rather a test compare what the cars are like to look at, sit in, and drive and not the model name or the PR––the Hyundai’s 16 is crazy low for a car that offers so much performance for a price in the mid-$20s.
The issue includes one other comparison test, between the BMW 328i, Infiniti G37, Audi A4 2.0T and Acura TL. The TL, the least “gotta have” car in that test, with far more faults than strengths, received a 16. The Infiniti and Audi both received 20s. In the context of these scores, the Genesis Coupe’s 16 doesn’t hold water.
And the Camaro V6’s 22? Yes, there’s a lot of interest in the new Camaro, but generally for the V8. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t go all the way to 25, and so had to dock the Genesis Coupe’s “gotta have it” score to carve out the desired margin?
No disrespect meant to the Camaro. If it handles anything like the Pontiac G8 with which it shares a platform, it’s a fun car, and it looks great. I’ve driven neither car yet myself and have no predisposition in favor of either. In other words, I’m no fanboy or hater.
My focus here has been strictly on the fairness of the test. And this is the most tilted comparison test I’ve come across in a long time. In the end, “gotta have it” is like the “reviewer’s tilt” score used by gamespot.com when reviewing games. It’s being used to ensure that the car the reviewers want to win actually wins, despite what the other scores happen to be.
Let’s begin with the cover, which shows the Camaro nosing ahead of the Hyundai on a track and includes three bits of information on each car. The first, base prices: $23K for the Chevrolet Camaro, $26K for the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Open the magazine and you’ll find that C&D rejected a Camaro LS for its awful upholstery and mediocre tires. Upgrade to the LT, like they did, and two-thirds of the Camaro’s price advantage goes away. Adjust for remaining feature differences, and the cars’ prices are generally only a few hundred dollars apart.
Next on the cover, fuel economy: 29 MPG for the Camaro, 26 MPG for the Hyundai. EPA highway figures, of course. The city figures are an identical 17. In C&D’s testing, the Hyundai went slightly farther on a gallon of gas.
The third bit of information, horsepower: 304 for the Camaro, 306 for the Genesis Coupe. Not as potentially misleading as the other two bits. And yet, unsaid on the cover: the Camaro is over 300 pounds heavier. The Hyundai has a significantly better power-to-weight ratio.
In the actual comparo, the Camaro wins (as suggested by the cover photo). By a single point. Actually check the details, and you’ll find that, despite the connotations of that cover photo, the Camaro trailed the Genesis Coupe in every track test—acceleration, handling and braking—sometimes by a substantial margin. Moving to the subjective scoring, C&D rated the Genesis Coupe more “fun to drive” by a not insignificant two points. They note a few times that the Camaro feels too big because of its size, mass, and small windows, and that it doesn’t invite precise steering inputs.
So how did the Genesis Coupe lose? First, ride quality—affected by the optional Track Package on the car C&D tested. The buff book notes that they cycled through three Camaro test vehicles before settling on the one they liked best for the test. Why, then, didn’t they also evaluate the Genesis Coupe without the Track Package?
Even the four point spread in ride quality––a huge difference as scoring in these tests tends to go––wasn’t enough to fully erase the Hyundai’s lead in nearly every other category. To give the Camaro a one-point victory, C&D resorted to the score of last resort: “gotta have it.” The reviewers gave the new Chevrolet Camaro a monstrous six-point advantage. That’s 22 vs. 16, out of 25 in a 110% subjective category.
To put it bluntly, the Camaro won this comparison test because, in C&D’s estimation, people want it more. Chalk one up to the power of a name and an effective PR campaign. [ED: Or ad revenue.]
Even if we grant that “gotta have it” belongs in the scoring table at all––and I don’t, since I’d rather a test compare what the cars are like to look at, sit in, and drive and not the model name or the PR––the Hyundai’s 16 is crazy low for a car that offers so much performance for a price in the mid-$20s.
The issue includes one other comparison test, between the BMW 328i, Infiniti G37, Audi A4 2.0T and Acura TL. The TL, the least “gotta have” car in that test, with far more faults than strengths, received a 16. The Infiniti and Audi both received 20s. In the context of these scores, the Genesis Coupe’s 16 doesn’t hold water.
And the Camaro V6’s 22? Yes, there’s a lot of interest in the new Camaro, but generally for the V8. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t go all the way to 25, and so had to dock the Genesis Coupe’s “gotta have it” score to carve out the desired margin?
No disrespect meant to the Camaro. If it handles anything like the Pontiac G8 with which it shares a platform, it’s a fun car, and it looks great. I’ve driven neither car yet myself and have no predisposition in favor of either. In other words, I’m no fanboy or hater.
My focus here has been strictly on the fairness of the test. And this is the most tilted comparison test I’ve come across in a long time. In the end, “gotta have it” is like the “reviewer’s tilt” score used by gamespot.com when reviewing games. It’s being used to ensure that the car the reviewers want to win actually wins, despite what the other scores happen to be.
05-06-2009, 04:52 PM
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After reading the C/D and Motortrend article I was immediately turned off by both of these cars. I see potential in the Genesis though but just can't get over the looks of the front end (looks really good from behind and rear 3/4 view). Even with nice, modern V6 (or the SS's very good V8) the Camaro is not what I'm looking for in a car and the rear end is hideous.
05-11-2009, 03:18 PM
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Okay, well, I finally saw a Genesis coupe out on the road and followed it for a couple miles.
Impression? Blah. Yes, blah.
It's funny how this car looks exactly the way it does in pictures. When I saw it come up on me in the rear view, I knew it was a Genesis, but, man, didn't look like anything special... looked very "production" and there was nothing interesting about it. I let him pass me, and, again, from the side, the car had a couple of hints from the tiburon, but it was very plain. From the rear, the shape is derivative, styling is bland, and the squared off exhaust tips are played out. It looks just like any other car out there... it's not ugly or pretty or manly or feminine. It's neutral. The thing was as exciting as a manilla folder. I'd rather have something that polarizes people... something "love it or hate it", and the Genesis is not that car.
Impression? Blah. Yes, blah.
It's funny how this car looks exactly the way it does in pictures. When I saw it come up on me in the rear view, I knew it was a Genesis, but, man, didn't look like anything special... looked very "production" and there was nothing interesting about it. I let him pass me, and, again, from the side, the car had a couple of hints from the tiburon, but it was very plain. From the rear, the shape is derivative, styling is bland, and the squared off exhaust tips are played out. It looks just like any other car out there... it's not ugly or pretty or manly or feminine. It's neutral. The thing was as exciting as a manilla folder. I'd rather have something that polarizes people... something "love it or hate it", and the Genesis is not that car.
05-11-2009, 03:55 PM
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Okay, well, I finally saw a Genesis coupe out on the road and followed it for a couple miles.
Impression? Blah. Yes, blah.
It's funny how this car looks exactly the way it does in pictures. When I saw it come up on me in the rear view, I knew it was a Genesis, but, man, didn't look like anything special... looked very "production" and there was nothing interesting about it. I let him pass me, and, again, from the side, the car had a couple of hints from the tiburon, but it was very plain. From the rear, the shape is derivative, styling is bland, and the squared off exhaust tips are played out. It looks just like any other car out there... it's not ugly or pretty or manly or feminine. It's neutral. The thing was as exciting as a manilla folder. I'd rather have something that polarizes people... something "love it or hate it", and the Genesis is not that car.
Impression? Blah. Yes, blah.
It's funny how this car looks exactly the way it does in pictures. When I saw it come up on me in the rear view, I knew it was a Genesis, but, man, didn't look like anything special... looked very "production" and there was nothing interesting about it. I let him pass me, and, again, from the side, the car had a couple of hints from the tiburon, but it was very plain. From the rear, the shape is derivative, styling is bland, and the squared off exhaust tips are played out. It looks just like any other car out there... it's not ugly or pretty or manly or feminine. It's neutral. The thing was as exciting as a manilla folder. I'd rather have something that polarizes people... something "love it or hate it", and the Genesis is not that car.
Women!
05-11-2009, 05:01 PM
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i've seen quite a few genesis and camaros on the road here in metro detroit. i have to say, the camaro is a fail on most counts. the original showcar, as a showcar, was pretty decent...despite its HUGE size. i know they downsized it for production, but the car is still HUGE. and styling was basically exactly the same as the showcar's, which realistically, looks way too much like a caricature or toy. the first time i saw it in the flesh, i was quite tempted. and then the more i see it, the more i get sick of it. it just feels too much like one of those plasticky toy cars you get at toys r us. and the size is just ridiculous. and it doesn't even handle as well as the new mustang gt with a dinosaur suspension. add on top of that how sucky gm as a company has been and still insists on being, and the fact that it's an *american* muscle car engineered by australians and built in canada, i'll take a mustang gt w/ track pak any day...if i wanted a muscle/pony car.
the genesis, on the other hand, is a pretty pleasant surprise. i've only seen them in bright colors and sure it's got ugly design details and a pretty generic shape, but what it is, an affordable rwd sports car, is what we need more of. i can overlook the bleh design and the hyundai badge for how decent of car it is for the price. and i'll take the 4-cyl turbo r-spec. imagine if mazda made something like that. ie if mazda put the kabura in production as the rx-3 or whatever and charged 23k for it. i'd hit that. i'd get a car loan for that. or imagine if toyota made something like that, a renaissance ae86
no mullet-mobile for me in either case
the genesis, on the other hand, is a pretty pleasant surprise. i've only seen them in bright colors and sure it's got ugly design details and a pretty generic shape, but what it is, an affordable rwd sports car, is what we need more of. i can overlook the bleh design and the hyundai badge for how decent of car it is for the price. and i'll take the 4-cyl turbo r-spec. imagine if mazda made something like that. ie if mazda put the kabura in production as the rx-3 or whatever and charged 23k for it. i'd hit that. i'd get a car loan for that. or imagine if toyota made something like that, a renaissance ae86
no mullet-mobile for me in either case
06-19-2009, 09:58 AM
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the only thing that v6 camaro has on genesis is sligthly better fuel economy.
Genesis is more sleeker and refined as far as design and interior ....camaro has that rough muscle, heavy look to it...looks like hot wheels car.
I saw both in person and genesis has way better potential to look like a sleek sporty car ... in camaro you can only bring out gangsta/ macho look like you see with dodge chargers, chelengers - big chrome wheels are fitting.
Why yellow?? thats the last color i would chose for that car ... gunmetal is drule
http://www.seoulfulracing.com/genesiscoupe/show9.jpg
Genesis is more sleeker and refined as far as design and interior ....camaro has that rough muscle, heavy look to it...looks like hot wheels car.
I saw both in person and genesis has way better potential to look like a sleek sporty car ... in camaro you can only bring out gangsta/ macho look like you see with dodge chargers, chelengers - big chrome wheels are fitting.
Why yellow?? thats the last color i would chose for that car ... gunmetal is drule
http://www.seoulfulracing.com/genesiscoupe/show9.jpg
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06-19-2009, 10:24 AM
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the only thing that v6 camaro has on genesis is sligthly better fuel economy.
Genesis is more sleeker and refined as far as design and interior ....camaro has that rough muscle, heavy look to it...looks like hot wheels car.
I saw both in person and genesis has way better potential to look like a sleek sporty car ... in camaro you can only bring out gangsta/ macho look like you see with dodge chargers, chelengers - big chrome wheels are fitting.
Why yellow?? thats the last color i would chose for that car ... gunmetal is drule
Genesis is more sleeker and refined as far as design and interior ....camaro has that rough muscle, heavy look to it...looks like hot wheels car.
I saw both in person and genesis has way better potential to look like a sleek sporty car ... in camaro you can only bring out gangsta/ macho look like you see with dodge chargers, chelengers - big chrome wheels are fitting.
Why yellow?? thats the last color i would chose for that car ... gunmetal is drule
06-19-2009, 06:21 PM
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Why do American cars have to be excessively bloated?
I get the retro thing, but the designers should learn to update a classic so that it doesn't carry extra weight and proportions to look savage and proper.
I am not a fan of Hyundai. Every Hyundai I've driven or driven in had marshmallow float.
Granted, I haven't driven the Genesis (sedan or coupe).
I get the retro thing, but the designers should learn to update a classic so that it doesn't carry extra weight and proportions to look savage and proper.
I am not a fan of Hyundai. Every Hyundai I've driven or driven in had marshmallow float.
Granted, I haven't driven the Genesis (sedan or coupe).
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I feel weird saying it, but I like the styling of the new camaro. I'm sure in a few years they will be junk much like the old camaros still on the road.
On the otherhand, I think the 2.0T in the genesis has a lot of potential. Some of the Evo guys are starting to mess around with them. Unfortunately for us I think the genesis will be able to make more power much easier.
On the otherhand, I think the 2.0T in the genesis has a lot of potential. Some of the Evo guys are starting to mess around with them. Unfortunately for us I think the genesis will be able to make more power much easier.