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altspace 01-08-2008 02:54 PM

2009 Cadillac CTS-V
 
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Now that the second generation Cadillac CTS is on the streets and garnering largely positive reviews for it's looks, performance and handling dynamics, the time has come to turn it up a notch. The 2008 Detroit Auto Show will bring us the second generation high-performance CTS-V model. Just as the original 2004 version used an engine derived from the top Corvette of the time, so too does the new model. The 2009 CTS-V leap-frogs its chief competitor - the BMW M5 - with GM's new LSA V8 derived from the LS9 in the Corvette ZR1.

The goal of the CTS-V development team was to create a car with the poise and sophistication of the best luxury sedans melded with the outstanding performance of a high sports car. To achieve that they installed the supercharged 6.2L V-8 with an output of 550 horsepower and 550 lb-ft of torque into a heavily upgraded chassis and then went about dressing up both the interior and exterior to match

Given that Cadillac planned to offer the new CTS-V in overseas markets for the first, they felt they had to up their game in order to compete with the likes of the M5 and the AMG E63. The new engine offers so much more torque at all speeds than the V-10 in the M5 that driveability should be much better regardless of whether the manual or automatic transmission is installed. For those who prefer to handle the gear selection process on their own, the same Tremec 6060 used in the ZR1 is paired up with a dual plate clutch. The dual plate clutch provides the necessary torque capacity with a lower pedal effort.

Drivers who spend more of their time stuck in traffic jams or just prefer two pedal driving will be able to select the Hydramatic 6L90 six speed automatic. For those times when you feel like playing at being a Schumacher, tap shifting is available either through the steering wheel mounted paddle shifters or with the console shift lever. The automatic also has driver selectable shift modes include a Performance Algorithm that changes the shift points and firmness based on the driving conditions measured from vehicle sensors.

Nineteen inch wheels are used at both axles with 9in wide units used in front, 9.5in in the rear. The wheels are wrapped in customized Z-Rated Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires. The best tires in the world can't doing anything to put the power down if they don't stay in contact with the road surface. Another place where the CTS-V borrows from the ZR1 (and before that the STS) is the use of Magnetic Ride Control. The dampers filled with magneto-rheological fluid are adjusted based on sensor readings that happen at 1ms intervals. Of course all of this fancy hardware needs a stiff chassis to push back against. To help accommodate this a massive aluminum cross-brace connects the front strut towers.

Any tire only offers it's maximum grip within a narrow range of slip. Not enough and you don't move. Too much and the wheels just spin helplessly. To keep the tires working at their best, the Performance Traction Management uses the same sensors normally used for stability control but the control is optimized to get the most performance out of the power-train. The control algorithms used by the PTM were developed during the CTS-V race program over the last few years. Sooner or later every car has to slow down and here Brembo again comes to the rescue. Like the ZR1, six-pot Brembo calipers do the work up front with four-piston units at the back. In this case though the 15" front and 14.7" rear composite rotors are made of steel with aluminum hubs and slotted surfaces.

Following the pattern of previous V-Series Cadillacs the CTS-V gets a mesh grille to set it apart visually, but it doesn't end there. That powerhouse engine and the cross-brace need some extra head-room which is provided by a bulging hood. On the inside 14 way adjustable Recaro seats keep the driver firmly planted in front of the steering wheel. Those seats along with the shifter and steering wheel are wrapped in a micro-fiber material that looks like suede but is easier to keep clean and isn't sensitive to moisture. As the top end CTS, the V has all the expected luxury goodies including a Bose digital audio system with a 40GB hard drive and a navigation system. The new CTS-V goes on sale this fall.

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playdoh43 01-08-2008 02:56 PM

sounds expensive

velociti 01-08-2008 02:58 PM

i'm sorry. power is out of control these days.

that is 550hp. out of an effing cadillac. that's twice the horsepower of our car for godsakes. that's one hell of a package...wonder what they are asking for it.

faboo 01-08-2008 03:03 PM

higher starting price??

Moostafa29 01-08-2008 03:04 PM

Geeez. I'm kinda liking this thing. Hope its priced around the high $50k range.

JmurphRx8 01-08-2008 03:10 PM

Stunning inside and out!!! I would take that over an RS4, M3 or C class AMG anyday.

NaarLeven 01-08-2008 03:29 PM

wonder if it still has the same old horrifyingly bad wheel hop problem

chetrickerman 01-08-2008 03:31 PM

the 2008 CTS sucked on Top Gear even though it does have all that power. they claim it handles like a european car.:bsflag:

J. Dub 01-08-2008 03:54 PM

That front bumper looks like poop compared to the regular CTS.

Gimlet 01-08-2008 03:56 PM

Love it - When I have to have a true four-door (read - when wife says I do for kids), this will be at the top of my list -

YaXMaNGTO 01-08-2008 06:36 PM

That car is BAD ASS. :bowdown:

Mikeluvs8 01-08-2008 06:44 PM

Looks Good!

dillsrotary 01-08-2008 06:45 PM

this may be a hint as to the power plant of the top end camaro

RshnRoket 01-08-2008 07:45 PM

Funny thing is that I'm actually in the income bracket to buy this car. I don't think I'm ready to buy a car this expensive yet, but I can through my company get a nice corporate discount on the car. Very, very tempting... potential replacement for the RX-8 when I'm done paying off.

thecow135 01-08-2008 08:33 PM

that my friend is sex on wheels

mysql101 01-08-2008 08:46 PM

I don't think it's a very good looking car. The lines bother me - and it's not because I find them aggressive. The front bumper looks tacky to me. The rest looks OK. Just nothing I'd drool over.



Originally Posted by RshnRoket (Post 2230568)
Funny thing is that I'm actually in the income bracket to buy this car. Very, very tempting... potential replacement for the RX-8 when I'm done paying off.

I'm going to bust your balls a little on this - you're bragging about income but you bought a used 2005 rx-8 and haven't paid it off yet? This will easily cost more than twice what you paid for the 8.

SleepeR1st 01-08-2008 09:15 PM

I've always enjoyed the Cadillac CTS-V's. But now with that interior, hot damn! Cadillac nailed it for the interior, beautiful.

YaXMaNGTO 01-08-2008 09:15 PM

Anybody notice the article says it has Recaro seats?

Mech_head 01-08-2008 09:43 PM

Don't know about the looks on the V model, I got to look at and sit in the regular 3.6 Caddy and was very impressed with how it looked. The interior also impressed me not because it looked good but because everything felt right. You coud reach all the controls easily and the wheel, shifters, and petals were all right The V version should be a banging car. I bet it goes faster and costs less than an M3

tiggerlee 01-08-2008 10:15 PM

Well the '07 CTS-V starts at around 54k.

The '08 STS-V is nice too. But not for 80k.

playdoh43 01-08-2008 10:57 PM

nice front, bug ugly rear

faboo 01-08-2008 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by chetrickerman (Post 2230005)
the 2008 CTS sucked on Top Gear even though it does have all that power. they claim it handles like a european car.:bsflag:

you got that from the site??

Or are u talkin about the old CTS??

Huskyfan23 01-08-2008 11:59 PM

not really a fan of the way the vehicle looks on the outside, but that interior is beautiful. I would spend all day in that car if it was mine.

Can't expect something that big and heavy to be really great performance wise, regardless of horsepower. Of course, 500+ hp is definitely something to brag about around the office.

chetrickerman 01-09-2008 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by faboo (Post 2230969)
you got that from the site??

Or are u talkin about the old CTS??

the 2008 CTS

BlueEyes 01-09-2008 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Huskyfan23 (Post 2231057)
but that interior is beautiful. I would spend all day in that car if it was mine.

I drove an '08 CTS and was not too impressed with the interior. It looked nice, certainly leaps and bounds better than many other American cars, but it still felt cheap and had inconsistent gaps, and peices which looked tacked on.

RENESIS_NEENJA 01-09-2008 09:08 AM

For an American car, that interior is absolutely amazing! Hell, for any car actually...

RshnRoket 01-09-2008 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by mysql101 (Post 2230690)
I don't think it's a very good looking car. The lines bother me - and it's not because I find them aggressive. The front bumper looks tacky to me. The rest looks OK. Just nothing I'd drool over.




I'm going to bust your balls a little on this - you're bragging about income but you bought a used 2005 rx-8 and haven't paid it off yet? This will easily cost more than twice what you paid for the 8.

Yep, about actually after a corporate discount. Never like to overspend on anything. Bought the RX-8 right after I got my M.S. in (EDIT: May, not June, bought the car in June, start my job in early July) and had no clue what kind of salary I would be getting. Research positions in pharmaceutical companies have their perks. ;)

If it drives well, I may be interested. Otherwise I'll pass.

nu2rx8 01-09-2008 07:51 PM

Nice but I like the old CTS-V styling a little better.
...wonder why GM put the emphasis on more hp instead of seeking further refinement, better fuel efficiancy or a sequential/ DSG type tranny. 500+ ponies is a little rediculous for country club duty.

R3v9K 01-09-2008 08:05 PM

my dad had the old v and man was it fast. The torque is godly but not the handling like the 8

RotoRocket 01-10-2008 11:48 PM

There's hope for GM.

This car proves it, with a resounding ping.

Style and interior fit and finish look superb.

My only beef is that they damn rear and front bumpers are unecessarily large.

If they price it at a 10% discount to the BMW 5 Series, I'd actually prefer it.

Detrich 01-11-2008 01:21 AM

i think the CTS might be a nice alternative to japanese & german lux's in the same class.

Hornet 01-11-2008 03:09 AM

GM is taking a nice run at gaining or regaining customers with products like this. I personally like every aspect of this new CTS-V that I have seen. I like the agressive looking exterior and the interior just made my jaw drop the first time I got a look at the pics (wonder if it's as good in person). I wish I could afford one! What is Ford going to do to keep up with GM on this one?

chetrickerman 01-11-2008 06:52 AM

make a new ford fusion :puke:

Gimlet 01-11-2008 01:07 PM

Actually, Lincoln is coming out with the MKS with the current v-6 (270hp). Within a year they will offer a turbo version with around 350hp. We might expect to see a more-tame version of the MKR-concept after that based on this line with around 450hp or so with AWD. Purely speculation at this point of course - but it'd be cool.

Jedi54 01-11-2008 02:47 PM

that interior is gorgeous! I'd have to see it in person to get a better feel for it but based on the picture, it's defintely better then what we usually see in American cars.

Horsepower is INSANE! Definitely shows glimpses of what we'll see in the future.

Thumbs up from me

road1will 01-11-2008 03:35 PM

I love it. I've had the oppurtunity to drive the entire Cadillac "V" Line on Road Atlanta and am pretty impressed.

Other than shitty american interiors, I could definitely drive a CTS V daily. Also, not too crazy about the gearbox, and it had a tendency to overheat on the track.

knicks1984 01-15-2008 09:50 AM

I like the interior look, but not all that impressed by the exterior. The most stunning thing about the car is the powerplant. 550 horsepower is incredible, but how much will it cost. They can definitely steal M3 owners with this car if it's priced correctly.

DailyDriver2k5 01-15-2008 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by knicks1984 (Post 2243310)
I like the interior look, but not all that impressed by the exterior. The most stunning thing about the car is the powerplant. 550 horsepower is incredible, but how much will it cost. They can definitely steal M3 owners with this car if it's priced correctly.

This car will steal E63 AMG owners away from Mercedes... My budies has a E55 AMG with 487HP/506TRQ, it's a monster of a sedan that will embaress regular vettes and nip on the tails of 911 twin turbos(last gen), and now Caddy brings this out...GOOD GOD! 550HP/550TRQ!

If worse case senario , the car is a total flop in the handeling department(which i doubt) if i was in anything less than a 505HP Z-06 I wouldn't even want to line up with this car at a stop light.... something tells me the gloves are off with this next CTS-V! GM is out for blood!:FIREdevil

BlueEyes 01-16-2008 12:30 PM

I don't want to start a new thread, but how about this bad boy. Just unvieled CTS coupe

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sharkman 01-16-2008 12:37 PM

Sexy car, but sounds very expensive too, the interior is nice, but im not too hot with the analog clock....kinda reminds me of a pt cruiser's little clock.

Fanman 01-28-2008 12:53 AM

I really like this car. Might be my next car. Has it all, really nice interior, will have a good handling package (will be using the MSRC suspension system in the current Vettes), and I like the exterior. Expect to start around mid/high 50's. Probably nicely loaded you will be looking at in the low to mid 60K's. Will be between this and the new AMG C63, M3, and on the lower cost side the S5.

JRichter 01-28-2008 11:15 AM

I like what Cadillac has done over the last 5 years. Until more recently it seems like the only GM division that has seen the light and is trying.

That CTS coupe looks awesome and is a step in the right direction.

the stig 01-28-2008 11:24 AM

i would pick C-class AMG over that. but they did a awesome job on the interior

PRL 84U 01-28-2008 03:26 PM

anyone notice a resemblance of the CTS's gauges to ours? Had to do a double take. But those seats look real nice.

Hornet 01-29-2008 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by JRichter (Post 2266717)
I like what Cadillac has done over the last 5 years. Until more recently it seems like the only GM division that has seen the light and is trying.

That CTS coupe looks awesome and is a step in the right direction.

I'm not trying to sway your opinion but haven't you seen some of the other vehicles GM has developed recently? The Sky and Solstice are not everyones cup of tea but I like them. Although I haven't seen any praise for it here I did get a chance to get into a G6 and it was better than what I was used to seeing in past GMs. The G8, new Malibu, Acadia, the '06 to current Corvette Z06 (and now the ZR1) and forthcoming Camaro (although the verdict is still out on that one) are all looking like pretty good steps outside of Cadillac! I'm still waiting to see more from Buick and maybe just a tad bit more out of Saab!


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