Scion Canada annouced FRS pricing
 

I know its not an RX8 lol but the price is only $25,990.00! I am amazed that it is so low, I think this car will sell out before it actually gets here!

That actually is surprisingly low. It's about the same as the US pricing, actually.

Holy shit is only 10 bucks more than the 2001 VW Jetta 1.8T I bought back in 2001!

And its a MUCH BETTER CAR!

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...sed-25990.html
The official Canadian pricing for the Scion FR-S is out, and the new sports car from Toyota will start at a base MSRP of $25,990. When the car is equipped with the six-speed automatic transmission complete with paddle shifters the base MSRP will be $27,110.

Keep in mind these prices are before delivery charges and taxes, so you can expect the final price at the dealership to be more than the MSRP. Before taxes but after the freight charges have been added in, the FR-S base price for the manual version should cost $27,485.

The FR-S will slot in just under the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, arguably its largest competitor, costing $509 less in Canada and and $50 less here in America.

In the States, the FR-S will sell for $24,200.

With original announcements from the company saying that the FR-S would be under 30k, Toyota has delivered on its promise and will market the car very competitively.

Read AutoGuide’s Scion FR-S review here.

Well when your ready to place your orders let me know lol :)

When is the test drive available>

Well Footman I am hoping test drives won't be for a while........................lol. What I mean by that is I am hoping they will be sold when they arrive for the 1st little while. There are not huge volumes coming in and if you take a car with about the same torque as an RX8 and lower the weight by about 600lbs it should make a big difference. Also the $25,990.00 price is very attractive! If we have them unsold when they arrive in the next few months test drives will definately be available...........................but I'm hoping not lol.

It's a good price, but I can still find an R3 for 25+ and be more happy.

600lbs??? Where do you get the weight spec?

Even if taking heaviest Rx8 at 3100lbs ... 3100lbs - 600lbs = 2500 lbs?

I don't think the actual weight is THAT light...or is it? omfg zomg!

:P

Your right Josh the FRS is supposed to under 2700lbs. The RX8 at a minimum is going to be 3100+lbs. So your right its about 400lbs+. Just remember every 100lbs is about 1 second per lap on a track. The R3 is a great car but it will cost triple what the Scion will to keep on the road in maintenence let alone fuel economy.

^ three times...not sure where you're getting that!

I'm still looking for something to make me sell my '05, though I've since bought two cars.

I was excited about the FRS, though I was disappointed on some reviews that I read, especially with Subaru actually making their version plow so that it feels familiar to existing Subie owners :wallbash:

And Michelin Primacy (Prius) tires for the Toyota?

Betcha tested curb weight will be closer to 300 pounds less than the rx8, still nice but will it feel more hardwired to your senses than a rx8? Not sure.

Plus, useless back seat, a course engine...

But a great value, for sure.

The only way is to go up after you've had the RX-8 Experience....

meaning.. RX8 ---> LOTUS

ehh... most people tend to go to bmw or porsche if the 8 hasn't snapped them out of the sports car mentality.

though I agree.. a Lotus would be nice... even with the exposed chicken wire.

Well, they know folks WILL CHANGE the tires regardless, so why waste money...

The Chief Engineer’s sensitivities are touched by the most benign act of modding – the choice of tires:

“We usually come up with a designated tire, a tire that is optimal for the car. We arrive at this decision after long tests. That some guys go and decide their own tire steals a little something from the enjoyment of the engineer – but that’s the concept of this vehicle. It is not made for the enjoyment of the engineer – it is made for the enjoyment of the owner.”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hief-engineer/

I'm buying this car and selling RX8, but i was considering buying out of province since HST is going to be another 3300

Would love to test drive the car to see how it feels... probably wouldn't trade the 8 for one though. Curious to see what kind of voodoo magic (or lack of) they worked on that macpherson strut front...

BMW M3's have MacPherson struts lol.

The new FRS/BRZ cars are very interesting, in a way I think it validates Mazda's philosophy over the last ten years or so which is basically provide a great handling, fun to drive car and don't worry about the horsepower so much. I'm of the opinion that many sports cars are so over-powered they actually become less fun to drive on the street because there is no way to drive it hard safely on normal roads. The FRS/BRZ is a refreshing turn away from the horsepower wars and back to the fundamentals of what makes driving a sports car fun.

Anyways, if the RX-8 didn't exist and I didn't need 4 useable seats I would certainly consider the FRS/BRZ cars as I've always been a sucker for lightweight cars. I'm with the other poster about the Lotus Elise, always wanted to own one of those ever since I lived in the UK for a year and my neighbor across the street had one.

Yea and they understeer pretty badly =)

Actually in a street car under/over steer is quite easy to corect with tire pressure and alignment changes. Its quite easy to change an RX8 from tail snapping to sliding with a smaller toe change and a couple of pounds of tire pressure.

Have you driven one yet? what if you don't like how it drives. I can't think how many times I've gone out to test drive a car I thought I would love only to be sorely disappointed after driving it. I'm not saying the FRS will be bad, but it's idiotic to make a large purchase like a car without a test drive first.

I would also like to wait for the Subaru before making a Scion purchase as I've read the Subaru will have optional xenon headlights and a upgraded interior.

Are you sure that works? It certainly doesn't work in my Province. If you buy out of province, they charge you the taxes when you register the car in your home province.

When i think car, I always think (Autocross). It would be hard to replace the 8's handling without spending big money. For me handling comes 1st, performance 2nd and sex appeal 3rd.

Being I live near Ottawa I would assume it would be pretty normal happening at dealerships in hull/Gatineau. Doesn't hurt to find out.

Yea, I definitely think you should look into that but I'm swaying towards you'll end up paying taxes when you register it in your home province.

You should really jump on the pre-order if you're seriously interested in the BRZ. I believe stock for this year will be gone by end of the month. I pre-ordered one.

Thanks, but I'm not actually interested in purchasing either an FRS or a BRZ, I think they are cool cars but I doubt I'll enjoy them as much as my 8 and at least the 8 has decent back seats and a decent sized trunk.

Not to mention, I would never pre-order a car (unless it's maybe a new Ferrari that has a 2 year waiting list), I would never purchase a car before test driving it, and above all else I would never pay FULL price for a car and if it's the first model year you're also going to most likely get F'd with high interest rates.

If I decide to get rid of my 8 eventually I will probably go to Scion and Subaru and check out and drive these cars but unless I can test drive one and as long as rates are good and they're willing to deal then I would consider one, otherwise it ain't worth my time.

The BRZ definitely has a larger/better shaped trunk space + foldable back seats aka. more useable. With regards to the back seats, that's up in the air. I have seen videos of reviews and I'm skeptical especially because I love rx8 back seats, its like a cocoon lol. But If I'm looking for a more people mover friendly vehicle, I'll definitely get a real 4 door car.

Pre-ordering isn't life or death, I just had to put 500 bucks deposit which is fully refundable if I choose to bail (aka. I can check out the car first before actually purchasing it). Also, I'm not getting screwed with high interest rates... 1% is definitely fair, just not as a good as 0% lol. (Just wanted to clear up some facts here).

Don't get me wrong, I definitely love the 8: the rotary engine, the 9k redline, the uniqueness, the list goes on but it also comes with the bad: engines dying at 100k+ (I'm at 140k+ though crosses fingers), engines with low compression, horrible gas consumption etc.. I'm ready for a new car.

Definitely it's nice to not buy at full price for a car but Subaru's mark ups are really not that high (I get discount for being subaru's supplier, aka you roughly know the cost of what they pay, sadly for this car the discount doesn't apply). Plus, we all know cars depreciate no matter what... owning a car is technically throwing away money.

I guess it comes down to I'm looking for a new car and this is a modest one that I can still buy a house lol.

Cheers, -ck

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's going to be a great car, I'm surprised that Subaru would be offering 1% (financing, or leasing) on a brand new car.
If the 1% interest rate is correct then at least you're not getting hosed with interest, but I do find that surprising as usually first model year brand new cars from Japan tend to have much higher interest rates.

The 1% is from their loyalty program for sticking with Subarus but yea I'm definitely "surprise" as well; don't want to jinx it so hopefully Subaru doesn't pull an exception in June for this one car (currently it applies to all cars). Just hoping by June I have everything I need to make the final decision.

I agree with a street car the FRS/BRZ will most likely perform admirably as most reviews have confirmed. I'm still curious about the performance when pushed on a track, though. To be fair the M3 has a staggered setup and some understeer from the factory probably due to their legal department. I'm just thinking that the amount of negative camber I'd have to dial into the front would cause problems while not cornering like during hard braking.

Anyway, I'll reserve judgement until I actually drive one or see an on-track review.

Well I am happy, we sold our 1st Scion FRS yesterday and the cars are still 60 days away!

No one tracks stock cars anyhow so I am sure if you swap the sways, align it and play around with tire pressures the under-steer will be dialed out. Or just drop some cash on coilovers. Or just get a track car...

Here is a Chris Harris review from the press launch:

I'll be at the first drive event in Montreal at the end of May...cannot wait!

For anyone who wants to see an FRS in person we will have an FRS here with a rep from Scion Canada on Monday May 7 from 6pm until 8:30pm. The only test drives are reserved for customers who have pre purchased or have a deposit on one subject to test drive, all others can look, touch etc!