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guy321 07-07-2005 11:05 AM

What flash did you have before? I hadn't noticed a flat spot, but im only firing 3 plugs.


Originally Posted by rotten42
Well, this latest flash is sure an improvement over the last one I had done. It is really nice to be able to rev the car and not have the engine go flat at 7000rpm.


dmp 07-07-2005 11:13 AM

I had the first M flash. From day one I noticed my car, as did another RX8 owner while driving it, would flatten out up-top.

Power would rise from 5000, 5500, between 6 and 6500 it would noticably stop pulling as hard...and sorta feel like timing was being yanked from there to 7500+ before the pull would increase.

rotten42 07-07-2005 11:13 AM

I had the N flash before and after I got it my mpg went down. I asked specifically what flash I received and the Service manager confirmed it to be the "R" flash. Unfortunately when they print out the customer copy of the invoice they don't include the number designation for the flash...it was on the dealer copy.


It could be my imagination but overall the engine feels smoother. I know from past experiences that Sunridge Mazda seems to be quicker than the other dealers in town for flash updates.

guy321 07-07-2005 11:37 AM

Hmm Ok, I'm on P

khtm 07-07-2005 11:46 AM

Hey rotten, when I called today they said I couldn't just ask for a flash, so I was like "well I had a CEL last week for a couple seconds while driving but it went away so I figured it was bad gas" (true story) and he said that's a valid reason. Weird...I thought when you brought your car in for anything they were supposed to update the flash?

Going in tomorrow to get my "R" flash, sunroof lubed, and some checkup done! yay.

dmp 07-07-2005 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by khtm
Hey rotten, when I called today they said I couldn't just ask for a flash, so I was like "well I had a CEL last week for a couple seconds while driving but it went away so I figured it was bad gas" (true story) and he said that's a valid reason. Weird...I thought when you brought your car in for anything they were supposed to update the flash?

Going in tomorrow to get my "R" flash, sunroof lubed, and some checkup done! yay.

It's crazy how it works...but, the shop has to bill somebody for work on your car. If they can't 'justify' 15 minutes? of labor to Mazda for updating your car's ECU, Mazda won't pay their bill.

guy321 07-07-2005 11:53 AM

It doesn't take 15 minutes.

dmp 07-07-2005 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by guy321
It doesn't take 15 minutes.


(shrug). Point still stands ;)

khtm 07-07-2005 12:30 PM

Yes it takes 15 minutes. The last reflash I got done did...I waited. What's your shop doing? :)

Hellbreed 07-07-2005 08:16 PM

I still have the M flash and I got rid of my flat spot by installing a REVi intake, I hope installing the next flash update doesn't bring it back :eek: ....that would be weird. I don't have a need for the next flash since I have no flat spot and fairly good mileage unless the "S" flash brings us back to 250HP...that would be sweet! :D


Wishfull thinking.

dmp 07-07-2005 08:17 PM

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Okay - I got the R flash, assuming this number is correct:

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...id=54230&stc=1

Impressions? Yes, the car does seem to rev 'smoother' and the power-dip tween 6-7, or 7500 is reduced. i can still feel a small 'dip' around 6200 or so, but that dip was present on the dyno, so I expected it.

I hope it's not a placebo effect.

Fritz the Cat 07-10-2005 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Fritz the Cat
I had my brakes replaced in October due to squealing. The new pads were fine until a month ago, when they started squealing too. When my 8 was in a couple of weeks ago, the mechanic said he couldn't find anything wrong with the brakes. So, after two more weeks of squealing, my car's going in the shop Thursday. Hopefully they'll find something, or I'll have to go to a new mechanic.

Let me know what happens with yours. I'm not expecting to pay for the upcoming work, as my thinking is along the same lines as yours.

Update to this situation: the mechanic once again couldn't find anything wrong with my brakes when it was up on the hoist. He then took it for a spin, and heard the squealing. I'm now getting new brakes Tuesday, under warranty. :)

wedge357 07-10-2005 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Fritz the Cat
Update to this situation: the mechanic once again couldn't find anything wrong with my brakes when it was up on the hoist. He then took it for a spin, and heard the squealing. I'm now getting new brakes Tuesday, under warranty. :)

good for you on getting the new brakes installed.

Bad News: you will still get brake squeal... This is the nature of new, metallic brake pad that they squeal when you apply the brakes. Especially for people that feathers their brake when stopping. In order to get rid of the squealing, you need to "bed in" the new brake pads. Check this links:

http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/bedintheory.htm

There are numerous threads concerning brake squeal, check this out:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...brakes+bedding
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...brakes+bedding

Some people will argue that this procedure does not work. May be it doesn't but its a much easier way to fix your problem than having to schedule an appointment with the dealer, wait forever to get the fix done, then brake squeak returns after 1000miles.

Fritz the Cat 07-11-2005 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by wedge357
good for you on getting the new brakes installed.

Bad News: you will still get brake squeal... This is the nature of new, metallic brake pad that they squeal when you apply the brakes. Especially for people that feathers their brake when stopping. In order to get rid of the squealing, you need to "bed in" the new brake pads. Check this links:

http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/bedintheory.htm

Well, that's worth a try! I'll do that this weekend. Thanks for the tip.

gerhardj 07-12-2005 11:44 PM

Rotten

Have you noticed any other changes after the you've been "R" Flashed? Is the gas consumption worse ( not that it could get much worse in my case)? Can't wait for my 5k service to happen so I can get rid of this flat spot

rotten42 07-13-2005 12:33 AM

Well my mpg went down with the N flash but I've done about 4 or 5 tanks since the R flash and my mpg has gone up back to where it was before with the M flash (+2mpg)...is it because of the flash?,...too early to tell.

BlueFrenzy 07-13-2005 07:48 PM

I was wondering if anybody else in Calgary got the R flash (aka Rotten's flash)? I assume that Sunridge Mazda has it ... what about NorthHill and Kramer?

rotten you burn through a lot of fuel! 4-5 tanks already! I typically fill up every 2 weeks or so.

rotten42 07-13-2005 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by BlueFrenzy
I was wondering if anybody else in Calgary got the R flash (aka Rotten's flash)? I assume that Sunridge Mazda has it ... what about NorthHill and Kramer?

rotten you burn through a lot of fuel! 4-5 tanks already! I typically fill up every 2 weeks or so.


Well I live in the Far North West and work in the South East....


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