rx8 - smooth!

Fellow Aussies think about this:

AUSTRALIAN SPECIFICATION

177KW - We hope!
Climate Control Air
Leather option without taking sun roof
1 oil cooler

US SPECIFICATION

177KW
Standard Air
Leather option must take sun roof
2 oil coolers

EUROPE SPECIFICATION

167KW
Climate Control Air
Leather option without taking sun roof - not sure?
2 oil coolers

Looking at that list I reckon we have got the best options of the lot.

Whats 1 oil cooler between friends?

Steve

8_wannabe

1 oil cooler = less weight, so you come out ahead on that one too. That plus Fosters, you aussies get all the good deals.

sco

OT: Fosters... yech... we don't drink the stuff... we send it overseas because we don't like it!

8_wannabe

See, again you get the best deal. It just ain't fair. For the record: What do you drink over there? You gotta have something to wash down that vegemite.

Lock & Load

As long as its definetely 1177kw and 211nm i can wear that but if we are downgraded to 167kw i aint going to be a happy little vegemite, i am tryng to organise a few owners who are prepared to get their cars dynod once a few km have been put on their rides.

Kev

What do you reckom then...

I'm parial to Cascade Premium, bu then - I'll happily drink Guiness if it's on tap and properly cared for.

This power thing is enough to drive you to drink!!!

Call me simple (go on) but a free flowing exhaust, less restrictive air filter and a calibration tweak would give most engines a 10~15% lift without seriously compromising driveability. I haven't found one article about an RX8 with "more grunt".

Has anyone?

Kev.

sco

Apologies about continuing OT conversation... but I was asked a question... honestly

Me... I drink almost anything but Fosters or Victoria Bitter (VB). Corona, Hahn, James Boags and Stella Artois have all spent short amounts of time in my fridge recently.

When I'm in the US I drink Corona or Heinekin.

No flames from XXXX, VB, Fosters, Swan, Tooheys or [insert your favourite aussie beer here] drinkers, thanks. :p

Winning

Asahi (my favourite), Budweiser, Heineken, Grolsch, Hahn Premium, Crown Lager, Cascade Premium, Carlsberg Elephant Beer and Stackade.:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

Kev

Maybe the Australian model should have got a breathalyser in place of the second oil cooler

Wildcard

Getting back to the topic, confirm we have the exact same ECU settings (and hence power output) as the European model?? That's what Mazda has been telling us from the start. If so, then does that mean we also now only have 167kW? I must say that this is the first time I have heard that figure quoted for the Euro model.

Kev

167Kw has to be a bad joke. The UK web sites say 177Kw.

Erwin

So what's the Aussie specs then?

Kev

The Aussie site has said...

Maximum power man kW 177 @ 8,200rpm
auto kW 141 @ 7,000rpm
Maximum torque man Nm 211 @ 5,500rpm
auto Nm 220 @ 5,000rpm

...since day one I believe - not much has changed on te site that I know of.

RobDickinson

Current UK spec car (from the website) =

231ps/177kW
@ 8200rpm

Now 177kw = 240ps.

But as we know, its been droped from 240ps to 231ps, which is about 170KW.

Basicaly Mazda have been slopy and not updated the KW number.

kW___*_1.360__=_PS
kW___*_1.341__=_HP

PS___*_0.7355__=_KW
PS___*_0.9863__=_HP

Kev

If this UK spec conversion data is correct then this is very disturbing potentially for the Oz spec car.

Pretty soon I expect to be told that it doesn't need petrol ....

... "you just wind it up with this large key!!!"

RobDickinson

No, its all OK.

Apart from undisclosed HP drops like the US one that is.

UK/Euro was supposed to have 177KW/240ps , which 'aparently' met our current emmisions - Euro stage 3.

AFIK Australia currently has Euro stage 3 emmisions too (or very similar).

Mazda decided to make the RX-8 comply with the soon to be introduced Euro stage 4 emmisions, which is obvoisly stricker, and doesnt come into force until 2004/5 in europe - Who knows if Australia will go with it, or when.

So to meet Euro4 power was droped to 231ps, with website updates forgeting to update the KW.

I dont see any reason, if Mazda are still meeting Euro3, that the Australian cars arnt 177KW - unless a similar, unpublished drop happens like the US.

What worries me is that us in Europe - who have the lowest power car officialy, get a further hidden HP drop.

I've seen the RX-8 dyno for as little as 163HP in US, thats 75bhp down on the NEW lower power figure of 238bhp.

If we get the same power drop were down to 153bhp at the wheels. looking kinda poor, especialy for the fuel economy. I hope 231ps is correct.

Lock & Load

To me it seems that MAZDA was deliberetaly optimistic in its output figures the marketing department choose to align this car to cars in the 184kw market knowing that they could ask a premium price for the car and knowing that if the truth ever came out most rx8 buyers would still be happy with their rx8 and not return them , they did the same with the mx5 and got away with it so why not do it again .

HAD i have known that the rx8 is only 177kw or possibly 170kw i would have not parted with $66000.

BY OVERSTATING THE FIGURES THEY HAVE ADDED AN EXTRA $5000 PER VEHICLE TO THEIR PROFIT MARGIN AND MANAGED TO SELL EXTRA CARS .

Wing

I don't know in Canada I think we come out better

Leather option no need for sunroof
2 oil coolers
headlight pissers
no climate though

All starting at $36 cdn

Maestro

Were def inately 177kW.

Also you have to have climate air - Hello ?

Our specs are really great for the RX-8.

1 oil cooler ????

My FD has two I don't think there would be too much benefit in the FE having two.

maybe on the track... thats about it.

Also RX-8 doesn't have athe cooling woes of the FD.

Also the headlight pissers - rock !!!!!!