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Revolver 08-27-2006 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Cromax
You could most likely get someone to replace your petrol tank with a custom LPG/CNPG tank so it reduces wear on suspension components.

Would the shape of our fuel tank suit LPG though? :scratchhe

I thought LPG tanks had to be cylindrical?

Cromax 08-27-2006 07:02 PM

Why would they have to be cylindrical?

If it does, I'm sure you can get a couple of cylinders made up instead.

auzoom 08-28-2006 02:46 AM

Hey just go down to the servo and get a few swap n gos :p: joking

I dont see why they would have to be cylindrical, I think most lpg car tanks are like that cause they are cheap to make that way and therefore a "standard". I am sure there are some limitations, but if you want a custom tank, just go ask a gas fitter.

Btw, not sure how many people are aware, but the government is introducing a tax on LPG of 12.5c/litre. Being phase in from 01/July/2008 @ 2.5c/litre and then 2.5c/litre every 01/July being added until 2012. http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/Pubs/R...-04/04rn44.htm

Cheers

Andrew

Revolver 08-28-2006 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by auzoom
I dont see why they would have to be cylindrical, I think most lpg car tanks are like that cause they are cheap to make that way and therefore a "standard". I am sure there are some limitations, but if you want a custom tank, just go ask a gas fitter.

Fair enough. I just kinda figured that a cylindrical tank was better capable of withstanding the higher storage pressure involved with gas. Not sure why I think that. :uhh: :D:

auzoom 08-28-2006 09:19 PM

I tend to agree, I am sure there is a reason that these are th "Standard" design, and Im pretty sure it has to do with things like strength and easy to build.

Gibbo 08-28-2006 10:34 PM

Gas cylinders are made cylindrical due to the fact that it lends itself to not having a weak point as there are no seams. All other shapes need seams and hence weak points.

Revolver 08-28-2006 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by Gibbo
Gas cylinders are made cylindrical due to the fact that it lends itself to not having a weak point as there are no seams. All other shapes need seams and hence weak points.

Aha - thanks Gibbo. Thought it must be somethin' like that. :)

mikeyr 08-29-2006 12:26 AM

Can't help myself..... In NZ CNG is / or was, (will have a look in a couple of weeks) a fuel option. Slightly less energy than LPG but you can top up at home with the right pump!

Unplug the heater plug in the Rx....

Still I can't figure where the tank fit's (Well!). Hydrogen is in cell's which is easier, cylinder (top of the class gibbo) which can be produced without seams using a big ram is the cheapest and only seamless pressure vessel for gas.

rx8 man 07-13-2008 05:07 AM

Lpg on Rx8
 
Has or is anyone started/ing to look at this?????
As in New Zealand 95 Ron is $2. 35c per litre and LPG is $1. 25c --- bit of a difference in price. what used to cost me $20 for a spin in the rx8 a year or so ago, now cost $50 plus :(

matt13b 07-13-2008 05:59 AM

I have actually thought about the feasibility of an LPG conversion on an RX8 as I have seen rotary's in fast fours magazine in the past that have got more power out of a full LPG conversion than they did on petrol. So it is an interesting thread.. It's funny how tough some of us get when we are on the internet.

enforcer 07-13-2008 06:05 AM

Holy thread ressurection Batman! If you think prices are bad now, be prepared to have $150+ bucks in your pocket for a re-fill in a couple of years time....!

takahashi 07-13-2008 06:13 AM

The drying effect of LPG may not be the ideal environment for the apex seal??? :dunno:

fatmarco 07-13-2008 06:46 AM

Well, talk about digging up an old thread!

Anyways, it seems that direct liquid injection probably is too difficult for small shops to solve, due to heat issues. Will prob have to wait for mazda or someone else to develop it.

I wasn't interested in normal lpg...gas conversions, which was what most people thought. What interested me was the potential of it. Although with petrol prices going the way they are, who knows https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/dunno.gif

cheers
Fatmarco

glenn 07-13-2008 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by takahashi (Post 2549201)
The drying effect of LPG may not be the ideal environment for the apex seal??? :dunno:

Rotaries love LPG Taka :) Our engines are actually well suited to LPG because we inject oil into the combustion chambers already.

I used to own a 1985 Mazda 929 sedan that I fitted a cosmo 13b Twin Turbo engine running straight LPG. It went really well and was very cheap to run. In fact I used to tow my caravan with it :)

thisllub 07-13-2008 05:09 PM

http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/sizes.html

You could probably get a toroidal tank in there and have room for the groceries.
http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/images/FT-single.jpg

Brettus 07-15-2008 03:52 AM

LPG Turbo renesis - hmmmmmmm

labrat 07-16-2008 02:05 AM

I would have to say that this is one of the most interesting threads I have read. It could be a way to prolong the financial viability of the RX-8 as petrol prices climb. I like the part about about rotaries not losing power with LPG.

rx8 man 07-17-2008 03:43 AM

rx8 and lpg
 
So, in one of the above oposts, tanks have improved, (well since I had a Jag on Gas) Now its how to do the set up, eg get the gas into the motor,

see below link --

http://www.slavgas.com/articles.php?sid=32

Vixon 07-19-2008 02:48 PM

Please, check also this: http://www.brc.it/default.aspx?page=18&lang=en

I'm running this system on my Toyota Corolla and it is perfect. But they do not have solution for Mazda RX-8, the problem is with timings.

rx8 man 08-12-2008 06:51 PM

lpg
 

Originally Posted by Vixon (Post 2558797)
Please, check also this: http://www.brc.it/default.aspx?page=18&lang=en

I'm running this system on my Toyota Corolla and it is perfect. But they do not have solution for Mazda RX-8, the problem is with timings.

Timings?? How do you mean??? These got to be away, as many peole have ran rotary on lpg. why can't th rx8?

rotarenvy 08-13-2008 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by rx8 man (Post 2593730)
Timings?? How do you mean??? These got to be away, as many peole have ran rotary on lpg. why can't th rx8?

read http://www.brc.it/default.aspx?page=18&lang=en

it sounds like they can't read the firing sequence of the rotary engine or cope with all the different ports opening at different times.

a 4 port auto would be the easier engine to LPG as it doesn't have aux-ports. I'd bet the older rotarys used simpler systems fitted to the top of carburetors.

TurboBoost 01-04-2009 01:02 PM

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...49#post2798149

rx8 man 01-21-2009 08:51 PM

lpg link
 

Originally Posted by TurboBoost (Post 2798242)

Cheers that link TurboBoost, Now we know it can be done :)
May be worth looking into??


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