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Australian members if you are interested in the mazda internatianall re-flash go and read the 7 odd pages at this address .

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=21530

cheers
michael

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

So the new flash may not be so secretive?? I thought you posted it was only known about in the higher levels of management?

BTW - Thanks for posting the link and bringing it to all our attention. It is a good read, and as a reward for efforts you win todays valuable post award

Cheers,
Hymee.

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Hymee

Mazda Australia either knows nothing about this upgrade or they refuse to acknowledge its existence .

My dealer certainly does not no anything of this matter , he was not even aware that the correct Mazda oil has arrived in Australia


cheers
michael

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Hymee

Thanks for the award of winning the post of the day , but are you suggesting that all my other 1501 post have not been in formative .

Shucks you have hurt my feelings .

cheers

michael

deano

I'm due for my first service soon and will ask the service manager about it.

Has anyone else had a dealer acknowledge the upgrade?

Deano.

Lock & Load

Latest information on reflash of ecu from Maurice's Site:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...631#post266631

Cheers

Michael

timbo

There's also North American TSBs about reflashes:

http://www.finishlineperformance.com...01-024-03.html

http://www.finishlineperformance.com...01-010-04.html

I asked my dealer about the transmission heat shield recall and the airbag recalls at my service last week. The Service Manager checked "the system" and said there was nothing for Australia

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Timbo

The 1st bulletin shows the PCM for the manual car as :N3H6 -18 -881K .

The second bulletin shows the PCM for the manual as :N3H6-1-881L.

The PCM ending with the letter...... K ..... is the current one we have in the AUSTRALIAN CARS , the upgraded re-flashed PCM ends with the letter ....L ....Supposedly not available here in Australia .

All members can use this bulletin to show the aussie service managers that YES there is a upgraded RE-FLASH , which improves the running of the RX8 as well as improving your fuel bills .

The members who commited and purchased the rx8 by way of pre-ordering should not be penalised and not be given the latest PCM upgrade , these upgrades most likely will be available to cars delivered later in 2004 .

Mazda should come clean with this type of information and not keep its most loyal pre-order customers in the dark and continually try and feed us bullshit .

So if you want better performance reliability and better fuel consumption speak up and be heard .

CHEERS
MICHAEL

takahashi

How L&L?

Do you want us to protest outside the Mazda office and do suboptimal burnouts to show our disappointments?

Lock & Load

No taka thats a bit extreme to begin with , but not out of the question if nedded , however showing the bulletins to Mazda HEAD Malcolm Gough , and letting them know that we are not being kept properly informed of upgrades ON our cars is a start .

New zealand had the prescribed japanese mazda oil 3 months before we JUST GOT IT why???

Mazda Australia in my opinion has done a poor job of keeping its most loyal pre-order customers informed , it should not be left to forum members to find out vital information for their cars on the forum .

SHAME MAZDA SHAME .

MICHAEL

timbo

Michael,

Do you have this from MA?

The thing is, when I have questioned my Service Manager (with the Certified 'Master Technician' guy in tow) on this before, using the 2 recall TSBs they say that Australian and US cars have some major differences in spec, due to both Australian Design Rules, climate and other conditions (no doubt including the lower liabilities for recalls etc). That's why, for example, we can't get a sunroof here, the spare tyre is mandatory, but no second oil cooler … and, as you discovered, our fuel mapping is different.

Some of this may be true (eg, the ADR elements); some of it lies, and other parts complete ignorant bullsh!t. But, at this stage, we don't have the evidence that says if/when/how we are entitled to a PCM flash upgrade. Even in the US, they are only being offered to those who complain about MIL events, poor fuel economy or misfires.

I will certainly complain about fuel economy to see the outcome. But when I had my 20k service, I raised the cruise control surge issue, and the Service Manager showed me the readout from the WDS showing no errors.

Also, this is all getting into the realm of software upgrades, with which I have some experience. There are differences between new releases, upgrades and bug fixes, especially bug fixes that relate to specific configurations, and I am not sure which of these the US flashes relate to.

Oh god, don't tell me I've just bought another computer that needs upgrading every 6 months

DMRH

Seems you guys are just starting to learn the truth about Mazda Australia.

In Japan & America. They treat the customer with respect & know that without them, they wouldn't have a job. In Australia, its a cross between utter contempt & complacency.

Mazda Australia are easily the worst of the Japanese companies to deal with here. The poor dealers are like the meat in the sandwhich so I feel for them at times.

As I have said many times before. (Got this from another person that could see the real picture) Great product, rotten company

BTW, some one who tries to fight against the Mazda-Australia apathy is "Darrin Ray" from Gosford Mazda. He knows the few "on-the-inside" that are worth dealing with.

Call him & he will go well past what you expect to ensure you guys are treated right. He is a rotorhead & drives a JC Cosmo so you know he is on your side. Not only that, he is a great guy..!!

Darrin Ray - Spare parts Dept.
Gosford Mazda - 02 4337-8099

Gomez

My car is late Jan 04 build, I wonder what version software/firmware is in it??

Gomez

Gyro

do the NV RAM clearing procedure. Its harmless and if your oil meter sweeps up and down you have the "L" configuration.

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DMRH


You are spot on the product is good but the Australian mazda arm sucks .

Because only 800 or so RX8 are sold annually locally , that is not a reason to treat customers with contempt .

America being a larger market gets much better treatment .

Maybe we should complain to mazda japan about the Australian arm .

Ihave 3 sons who will be purchasing motorcars at some stage and they already are aware of mazda poor customer service.

Gomez

Ta Gyro, will have a go but not sure if the leg is up to it!!

Telescopically Yours, Gomez

Gyro

Its like a dog scratching a flea.....as someone said.:D

Gomez

I tried it, it doesn't appear that I have "L" Installed....

Gomez.

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Timbo

Having read canzoomers threads , from what i understand we all have same ECU but have different flashes on it .

He states that even the ECU in Japan are identical other than the programing .

Your neighborhoods Mazda dealers mechanic can look up the different version of re-flashes on their MAZDA service system .

According to Maurice (canzoomer )there are a total of 4 released so far for North America , 3 in Japan , 3 in Australia , 2 in Europe.

Maurice said he is working on compiling the details so he can post them on the internet some time soon for those who are interested. He said it is easy to get the Version numbers this way, but more difficult to find out what issues each reflash is targeted at.

With the latest reflash there are some clear gains for everyone, specifically better fuel economy.

As soon as there is more info, it hopefully will come our way.

Cheers
Michael

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oops i think i somehow unsubscribed myself without really wanting to i f$%%CK UP.

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

So far I have interrogated my PCM and it is telling me...

Well - all I have got is the first 3 characters = N3J

(4E 33 4A hex)

So I must be on the right path... One of the OBDII service numbers can request a "Calibration ID" info type.

Dunno why I can't get the rest. Perhaps we only paid for 3 bytes :D

BUT - N3J is not N3H

I was hoping there was an easy way to do it like I think we could on the Commodores. If you held the "mode" switch in while you turned the ignition on, it went into this special local mini-diagnostic mode. It cycled through all this info (on the trip computer LCD display/readout), like RPM, temps, %fuel, and also the calibration # of the PCM. I guess IT guys would call it the firmware version.

If anyone works out how to do this on an RX-8, they win a free Hymee Grill kit.

Note: Answers like "Go to dealer and get him to check with WDS", or do the flea-itch thing and see if the needle sweeps are not eligible for the prize.

Cheers,
Hymee.

edit: fixed up wrong 3rd byte originally posted. Do'h.

deano

My car is Jan 04 build and also doesn't appear to have this.

takahashi

I am so confused.... I don't understand one word that Hymee said. I look so dumb

Someone explain to me what is going on! Please

Gyro

Hymee is trying to figure out what firmware version he has loaded in his PCM (ECU).

Namely, he wants to see if he has the "L" calibration. This is the latest update from Mazda, and contains new fuel maps. The new maps are leaner and said to be all around superior.

He has a OBII compliant scan tool and is trying to find out a way to make the scan tool tell him what version he has. The info that the tool has given him is inconclusive and therefor he is asking for help in finding out what version he has.

takahashi

Oh this makes sense... then how are we going to "tune" the ECU. With the method that L&L posted?

It sounds too easy to be true to "tune" a computer with an epileptic leg