Effects of Wheel Size/Weight on Performance
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Originally Posted by axelaspeed
nice, i'll have to check it out, i just bought a set of rx-8 shinka rims for my 3, i was looking all around to find out how much the weighed but couldnt find anything
We are probably getting a Mazda 3 rather than a 6 (don't need the size of the car, just the same engine).... if it fits the 8's wheel than I will have a new wheel for track day.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
Does the stock 8 rim fits into the 3? I know it fits for the 6.
We are probably getting a Mazda 3 rather than a 6 (don't need the size of the car, just the same engine).... if it fits the 8's wheel than I will have a new wheel for track day.
We are probably getting a Mazda 3 rather than a 6 (don't need the size of the car, just the same engine).... if it fits the 8's wheel than I will have a new wheel for track day.
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Sweet.......
What is the stock wheel offset? I wonder if it will fit on my 8 for some drifting practice?
(you may see the offset in the inside of rim).
We are only 1 kid family and not expanding atm so I think we like the 3 more now, plus a few $K cheaper - sparing some cash for mods on my 8.
Oh found the answer:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=25387.0
What is the stock wheel offset? I wonder if it will fit on my 8 for some drifting practice?
(you may see the offset in the inside of rim).
We are only 1 kid family and not expanding atm so I think we like the 3 more now, plus a few $K cheaper - sparing some cash for mods on my 8.
Oh found the answer:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=25387.0
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Originally Posted by takahashi
Sweet.......
What is the stock wheel offset? I wonder if it will fit on my 8 for some drifting practice?
(you may see the offset in the inside of rim).
We are only 1 kid family and not expanding atm so I think we like the 3 more now, plus a few $K cheaper - sparing some cash for mods on my 8.
Oh found the answer:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=25387.0
What is the stock wheel offset? I wonder if it will fit on my 8 for some drifting practice?
(you may see the offset in the inside of rim).
We are only 1 kid family and not expanding atm so I think we like the 3 more now, plus a few $K cheaper - sparing some cash for mods on my 8.
Oh found the answer:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=25387.0
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Originally Posted by takahashi
You can be my Mazda salesman. I am sold on the 3! :D
Oh my love to do the drifting on the 17".... LOL
Must go and test drive the 3 in the weekend then.
Oh my love to do the drifting on the 17".... LOL
Must go and test drive the 3 in the weekend then.
#52
Not to go too far off topic...
But technically you can get 6's cheaper then 3's currently. The 3's tend to have little negotation (they sell really well), while the 6's have some crazy negotiation rooms.
Some individuals have recently gotten (v6) 6s MTX's (NEW) for 16k with employee pricing (some dealerships offering it) and about 3k in rebates.
And if it matters, even after being out a year longer then the 3, the 6 still has less MRI's and TSB's. The dealers don't call it the TSB3 for nothing!
Still a sweet zippy car though. Just make sure to get an 05 or 06 to skip alot of the inital issues. If you are getting a 6s ATX, make sure to get an 05 with the 6spd ATX to avoid all the inital problems with the 5spd Jatco ATX.
But technically you can get 6's cheaper then 3's currently. The 3's tend to have little negotation (they sell really well), while the 6's have some crazy negotiation rooms.
Some individuals have recently gotten (v6) 6s MTX's (NEW) for 16k with employee pricing (some dealerships offering it) and about 3k in rebates.
And if it matters, even after being out a year longer then the 3, the 6 still has less MRI's and TSB's. The dealers don't call it the TSB3 for nothing!
Still a sweet zippy car though. Just make sure to get an 05 or 06 to skip alot of the inital issues. If you are getting a 6s ATX, make sure to get an 05 with the 6spd ATX to avoid all the inital problems with the 5spd Jatco ATX.
Last edited by crossbow; 09-09-2005 at 10:49 AM.
#56
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Winter weight.....
Just put the "snows" back on, and noticed that they were noticably lighter than the summers, so got the scale out.....
Summers (stock Bridgestone RE040, very worn) on stock wheel - 50.6 lbs.
Snows (new Toyo Garit HT) on cheapo-cheapo 17" FRD rim - 44.6 lbs.
Wow, 6 pounds per wheel, that's huge!
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Summers (stock Bridgestone RE040, very worn) on stock wheel - 50.6 lbs.
Snows (new Toyo Garit HT) on cheapo-cheapo 17" FRD rim - 44.6 lbs.
Wow, 6 pounds per wheel, that's huge!
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Originally Posted by cretinx
You guys worry too much about a few pounds here and there.
From my roommate who is a professional drag car builder (for Inline Pro) "If its a street car, don't worry about weight, worry about making power".
From my roommate who is a professional drag car builder (for Inline Pro) "If its a street car, don't worry about weight, worry about making power".
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I recently updated the orgy of unsprung weight links and decided to share it with a variety of forums. Feel free to keep, chuck, yell at, or do whatever you want with it. I figured since it took so long to gather all these damn links, it might be worthwhile sharing. Hopefully this won't offend anyone. Its just an orgy of available information for those interested in investigating it.
Articles
Size Matters
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/sizematters.pdf
Finding Free Power
http://www.nerocam.com/SCC_TAPnew.asp
Bicycles and Unsprung Weight
http://www.softride.com/bike/cornering.pdf
Fixing the 350Z: Why Lawyers Want Everyone to Run Staggered Setups
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr.../0404scc_350z/
Picking the Right Wheels For You
http://www.grmotorsports.com/wheels.html
Big Wheels, Big Trouble?
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/15/pf/autos/w...day_big_wheels/
Wheel Weights Can Effect Your Vehicles Show and Go
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...el_weights.jsp
The Danger of Dubs
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=104526
Automobile Ride, Handling, and Suspension Design
http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.htm
Threads
17 vs 18, Drag Strip Comparison
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.ph...0&#entry541857
How much does wheel weight really matter?
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthrea...rung+and+weight
Are 18" wheels and tires bling bling or a performance advantage?
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthrea...heel+and+weight
How much will 17" wheels slow you down
http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ul...gi/topic/7/303?
Effect of Lighter Wheels?
http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ul...gi/topic/7/301?
Bigger Wheels and Tires?
http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...ic/7/863#000004
Rotational Advice
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...=3;t=002795;p=1
If larger wheels are bad...why do sports cars have them?...
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=005169
Wheel Weight, Who Cares?
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=007412
1 Lb of unsprung weight =?? Static weight
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....f=3;t=006390;p=
Wheel Weights....Can They Make a Difference?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010655#000000
33.5 lbs/Corner Too Heavy??
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010570#000002
Don't Small Wheels Mean Heavier Tires?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010479#000009
Whats With Huge Wheels?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010436#000002
18" Wheels too big? Take a Look!
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=008412#000031
I'm Finally Completely Convinced About Lighter Wheels and Tires
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010379#000000
Do Wider Tires REALLY Provide More Traction?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010206#000034
Unsprung Weight 101
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010206#000034
Unsprung Weight Effects Performance?
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=008986
WO! The Joy of Lightweight Wheels!!!!
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010108#000033
0-60 simplified wheel physics and garfield's wheel test
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...3730#post279748
Spreadsheet blows lid off lightweight wheel debate!!!
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14738
Lightweight Wheels
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...unsprung+weight
In Defense of 17's
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...unsprung+weight
16 or 17 Inch Wheels?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...ht=wheel+weight
18 or 19 Inch Wheels?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...ht=wheel+weight
Effects of Wheel Size on Acceleration (TimeSlips)
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopi...t=1762&start=0
6tech Article
http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option...id=16&Itemid=32
Wheel Weight and Performance
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?...der=asc&start=0
Some Wheel Weight Sites
http://www.wheelweights.net
http://www.wheelspecs.com
http://www.miata.net/garage/garagetires.html
Articles
Size Matters
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/sizematters.pdf
Finding Free Power
http://www.nerocam.com/SCC_TAPnew.asp
Bicycles and Unsprung Weight
http://www.softride.com/bike/cornering.pdf
Fixing the 350Z: Why Lawyers Want Everyone to Run Staggered Setups
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr.../0404scc_350z/
Picking the Right Wheels For You
http://www.grmotorsports.com/wheels.html
Big Wheels, Big Trouble?
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/15/pf/autos/w...day_big_wheels/
Wheel Weights Can Effect Your Vehicles Show and Go
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...el_weights.jsp
The Danger of Dubs
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=104526
Automobile Ride, Handling, and Suspension Design
http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.htm
Threads
17 vs 18, Drag Strip Comparison
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.ph...0&#entry541857
How much does wheel weight really matter?
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthrea...rung+and+weight
Are 18" wheels and tires bling bling or a performance advantage?
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthrea...heel+and+weight
How much will 17" wheels slow you down
http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ul...gi/topic/7/303?
Effect of Lighter Wheels?
http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ul...gi/topic/7/301?
Bigger Wheels and Tires?
http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...ic/7/863#000004
Rotational Advice
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...=3;t=002795;p=1
If larger wheels are bad...why do sports cars have them?...
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=005169
Wheel Weight, Who Cares?
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=007412
1 Lb of unsprung weight =?? Static weight
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....f=3;t=006390;p=
Wheel Weights....Can They Make a Difference?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010655#000000
33.5 lbs/Corner Too Heavy??
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010570#000002
Don't Small Wheels Mean Heavier Tires?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010479#000009
Whats With Huge Wheels?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010436#000002
18" Wheels too big? Take a Look!
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=008412#000031
I'm Finally Completely Convinced About Lighter Wheels and Tires
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010379#000000
Do Wider Tires REALLY Provide More Traction?
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010206#000034
Unsprung Weight 101
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010206#000034
Unsprung Weight Effects Performance?
http://forum.miata.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb....ic;f=3;t=008986
WO! The Joy of Lightweight Wheels!!!!
http://forum.miata.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...t=010108#000033
0-60 simplified wheel physics and garfield's wheel test
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...3730#post279748
Spreadsheet blows lid off lightweight wheel debate!!!
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...threadid=14738
Lightweight Wheels
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...unsprung+weight
In Defense of 17's
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...unsprung+weight
16 or 17 Inch Wheels?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...ht=wheel+weight
18 or 19 Inch Wheels?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?...ht=wheel+weight
Effects of Wheel Size on Acceleration (TimeSlips)
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopi...t=1762&start=0
6tech Article
http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option...id=16&Itemid=32
Wheel Weight and Performance
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?...der=asc&start=0
Some Wheel Weight Sites
http://www.wheelweights.net
http://www.wheelspecs.com
http://www.miata.net/garage/garagetires.html
I just finished reading through most of the links, VERY VERY helpful. Thanks crossbow for taking the time to find and put all this together!