pjs_tools

I have run 32 psi consistently for 18 months and about 12k. Am going to go to 35 this spring and see if they are a bit less "soft" feeling. Handling is great, but perhaps too resilient -- they always feel like there is no end to their grip at 32. I can go over most rough road bits, rr tracks, etc, with no drop in speed -- amazing combination of steering response, grip, and "absorptive" ride. Seems right there with Jeremy Clarkson's clotted cream comment.

pcs

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I ran them at lower psi (33 or so hot, based on useless tire marking, lol), and then was reading some reviews and what other people were doing and decided to bump it up to about 36 hot - tires seemed happier there...

you definitely can if you're playing with the pressures and going out for back to back stints... on the street? maybe not...

badinfluence

The PSS or the "mr 500s?"


PSS are new, so I am not sure yet.


The Mr 500s were at least 50% on the outside, and on the inside had wire showing...... (-10%) It was like I was rocking serious camber, but wasn't. The alignment was only 1 or 2 degrees of optimal, but worse on the left side. Both rear sides had wire showing. (This is with 10k I think, maybe 15-20)

Front tires were evenly worn with more than half thread remaining.

The only thing I can think of is the car has serious flex/squat from a misalignment or I was improperly shifting weight. Those were hard miles, but not on a corners...... Mostly Houston's 59 and just faster driving without much weaving. I think something had to be off. (The car has been aligned 4 times in the last 2 years) Maybe I need to replace my springs?

I plan on reducing the weight of the back shortly and re-enforcing it. (I moved the battery to the back, but I weigh 116 pounds and rarely have passengers.... or heavy junk in my car)

Shumster

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I'm looking at going to either PSSs or the new RE71Rs in 245/35/19 on my R3 19s. Will be mainly for street driving with autox about once a month. They are the same price at my local costco. Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Cheers

IamFodi

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RE71R will probably be better for autoX.

PSS will be way better in rain.

Shumster

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My only concern is the RE71s having significantly less life?

That's the only thing holding me back. I won't die over losing a second in autox. But I'd rather not spend $1200 and only get 25000KMs out of the tires.

I've heard a few people say that the RE71s will last way less than the PSSs, how much do they mean?

nowakm99

I had the PSS on the R3 and they are fantastic. Incredible grip and awesome tread life. I think that the RE-71Rs would also be fantastic based on what I've heard from guys using them on the track, but they apparently wear out extremely quickly. You can also read some reviews at TireRack.com; they will tell you the same thing.


In short, if they are the same price it's no contest: I would go with the Michelins as they will likely last 2-3 times longer.


I needed to get new tires for the Cayman S this past weekend and after considering all the options ended up going with the PSS again; they are simply that good.


The other tire that you might want to consider is the Hankook RS-3s. They are very close to the PSS in terms of performance and I managed to get them for under $500 when Tire Rack had them on sale. Again, this was due to the price; if they were within $200 of the PSS, I'd go with Michelin.

IamFodi

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Well, the PSS has a 30k mile treadlife warranty, at least here in the US. My rears got pretty close to that; my fronts would have gone further if one of them hadn't gotten punctured. That was with one rotation. With regular rotations, you can probably expect more. 30k miles is roughly 50k km, right?

Also, the PSS isn't too bad even at low tread depths. It works better in the rain when it's at the wear bars than a lot of tires do when new.

I have heard the RE71Rs last a long time for what they are. I can't imagine they'll go as long as the PSS though, and they'll be pretty scary in the rain at low tread depth. So, in terms of usable miles, expect way less with the RE71R.

Shumster

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Thanks both of you! I really appreciate the advice! I guess i'm going with PSS.

Now I just hope I won't rub. I'm on 225/40/19 with Tein S-Techs and 20/25mm Spacers and I think i'm close to rubbing, I don't at all right now though.

My understanding is that if I got to 245/35/19 the sidewall will be a touch shorter, so I should be good...

pcs

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IamFodi - not sure where you heard that on the RE71R - the PSS will long outlast the RS3s, and the RS3s will outlast the RE71R by a wide margin (though I am hearing this through various other parties, none of it being first hand experience).

Dry grip: RE71R > RS3 >> PSS
Longevity: PSS >> RS3 > RE71R
Wet Grip: PSS hands down

if you're doing mostly street driving with an occasional auto-x once a month and don't want to swap wheels/tires, go with the PSS unless you're trying to be at the top of your class. The PSS are a compromise tire, but they are a GREAT compromise tire IMHO. 245 35 19 should be just fine - that's what I run on the street.

IamFodi

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My brother has run the RE-11 and RE-11A, and gotten like 20k+ miles out of them. I've heard the RE-71R is supposed to last even longer than those tires. Never heard a comparison with the R-S3, though.

But yeah, I did say the RE-71R can't be expected to last as long as the PSS, and it sure as hell can't be expected to perform as well at low tread depth.

pcs

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i think you might be either thinking of a different tire, or going the wrong way - from all accounts that I've seen for people who track or who auto-x, the RE71R have amazing dry grip... better than the RS3... but they don't last very long........

badinfluence

So an update. Mr passenger side PSS lasted 200 ******* miles.....

Drove my car 8 times with a combined milage of 218 miles and it ripped, bubbled, and blew all at the same time with absolutely no impact. Having to deal with Firestone being ********* because of it. I bought the PSS because the RE-11s were "unavailable" but I dont get how they could get a competitor tire quicker than a tire they sell internally... Anyway VERY VERY important bit information

PSS "92Y" DONT ******* GET THEM. The "92Y" are commonly BMW tires and BMW bitch constantly about bubbles. I sadly got the bubble after the tire popped. The 93Ys don't have a paper trail of doing this and are commonly used on Mercs. I did a lot of research to find this because I wanted to know if it was a tire manufacturer problem or a installer problem. I can't say yet, but I would avoid the 92Y and go for the 93Y. Shouldn't have been a weight problem since I cleaned out my car and removed the back seats and trunk lining, but it was.

My Size was 255/35R19 92Y PSS (fit amazingly on the R3 rims...well hopefully it was a good fitment and not the problem, maybe try 245 just in case)(I seriously don't think the fitment was the problem, but on the fronts it might be.... (255 in the rear 225/235 in the front)

I can't get my PSSes to let go, even when trying pretty hard. 50PSI/45PSI/40PSI/35PSI/32PSI. So no more Tokyo Drift is that is what your after..... They are almost a joke in the rain......a good joke. Again can't get them to slide or let go.....

Great track tires/Cruiser/street tires, but I am going to have to say I liked the RE11s better because they could let go a bit when you wanted them too.

ironhacker

Yes. Fantastic tires. I have them on my 2011 R3. I've had RE04 (ok) and RE05 (good) (on my 2005), S04 PP (OK), BFG G-Force2 (not so great, but comfy). Still have the Michelins and I think they're going to last the longest.

40w8

Hey, hows the SARX crew?

Yeah, I can feel 3 psi easily, and maybe 1 or 2 psi on the track anyhow.

For instance, I had front tire that kept getting 42 psi (by time measured at pit), and would skip like oil was in turn.

I'd take 2 psi out to make sure it got to 40 or 41 only, and car would hang on good next time.

Those pit guys in professional racing measure by 1/4 psi.

Hey, when we gonna go down the Sisters again?

40w8

Since this is a PSS thread, I've been tuning my suspension for years, and just got it where I want it.

It's an 07 6speed auto with only 34k miles, but last year I got the Bilstein B12 kit which got rid of the bottoming out.

When I put on 225/40r18 HaNKOOK v12'S I found out that the Enkei wheels I got on new car were 7.5 x18 instead of 8 x18 so tires had some slop on wheel.

The Hankook Ventus V12 were false economy since they start out too soft, and harden nearly solid later with only 14k miles.

I just put on approx the smallest size PSS comes in: 215/40r18 so I have a very light, smooth, and inexpensive $176. tire.

I can now drive across parking bumps or thresh holds like it's nothing, and I hear tire will stay workable even in rain until wearbars.

Best tire I never knew was made, and I noticed they balanced only with 2 of those tiny peal off weights.

IamFodi

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Totally par for cheap tires.


Totally par for Michelins.


Kudos on picking the slightly narrower size, too. Lighter wheel, lighter tire, less tramlining, better hydroplaning resistance, better feel, better limit behavior -- and because it's a PSS, it probably still has a damn sight more grip than the OE tire despite being that slight bit narrower.

40w8

I like a less is more strategy, and got rid of the tire flop on rim like this shot of Hankook 225/40r18 on that 7.5 x18 wheel.

IamFodi

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Whoa. Was re-reading some posts and realized I had missed this:

...Doesn't this imply that the RE-11 has LESS grip than the PSS?

40w8

Good catch!

IamFodi

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I mean, it's pretty alarming if true. The RE-11 is definitely worse than the PSS for wet grip, cold grip, longevity, NVH, and weight. The whole point of it is to sacrifice all that for dry grip when hot. If it can't even pull that off, what's the point besides a super stiff sidewall?

TeamRX8

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I'd recommend the Continental ExtremeContact DW

IamFodi

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BTW, just a reminder that the Pilot Sport 4S is out. It replaces the Pilot Super Sport and is better in literally every respect (aside from subjective feel, which is supposedly equal).

The 4S isn't available in every size yet. However, if it's available in the size you want (e.g. stock R3 size -- hooray!), it's the tire to get. If not, keep an ear to the ground because the size list will expand over time; I think I read that it'll eventually include all current Super Sport sizes (though I wouldn't be surprised if they omit most 17" sizes).

IamFodi

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...And if you can't get the Pilot Sport 4S, it looks like the only tire worth considering next to the Pilot Super Sport is the Continental ExtremeContact Sport. The Sport replaces the DW and is apparently a BIG improvement.