New D969 Coils
04-07-2015, 12:08 PM
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I don't think so no, they are based in the UK hence it being on our UK owners club forum.
Sorry if I posted in the wrong section, I just though people would want to know about them....
It is after all a performance modification
Sorry if I posted in the wrong section, I just though people would want to know about them....
It is after all a performance modification
04-07-2015, 12:30 PM
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If you wish to just talk about it, that's fine. A post that just links someone else's group buy is assumed to be just advertisement for the group buy, and thus gets deleted.
04-08-2015, 02:46 AM
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They have had the D585 coils out for a while now. The D969 are the new version.
I am aware that for guys in the US you have the BHR ignition kit, although I am not sure how they differ....
They have had the D585 coils out for a while now. The D969 are the new version.
I am aware that for guys in the US you have the BHR ignition kit, although I am not sure how they differ....
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04-08-2015, 06:13 AM
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There is also a group buy available in the Group Buy section. You have until May to sign up.
04-08-2015, 10:10 AM
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Without having any actual knowledge of "D969" it possibly sounds like the version of the D585 with the limiter removed (hitting the internal dwell limiter can result in misfires/inaccurate timing, the actual dwell setting where this occurs can vary quite a bit which is where it causes problems). I have mentioned previously on the forum about this D585 issue and that those particular limiter-removed coils are available from Pantera EFI. They are a direct replacement for the D585. I doubt anyone paid any attention then ...
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04-09-2015, 02:17 AM
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04-09-2015, 02:28 AM
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It's extremely unlikely that a coil designed for GM vehicles would go on sale in Europe before the US or Asia.
I'd appreciate a link to the original thread if anyone's found it.
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04-09-2015, 02:40 AM
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Chances are that if the terminals are different then it's a D585 variant with different terminals. A D969 doesn't seem to exist from what I can tell from a few cursory searches.
It's extremely unlikely that a coil designed for GM vehicles would go on sale in Europe before the US or Asia.
I'd appreciate a link to the original thread if anyone's found it.
It's extremely unlikely that a coil designed for GM vehicles would go on sale in Europe before the US or Asia.
I'd appreciate a link to the original thread if anyone's found it.
"So, much of a likeness and pretty similar on the outside, however they are hiding something. The specs are quite different, with the cores wound to make them a little more... shall we say, feisty. According to the lab test data, after only 2.6ms of charge time they will output a spark equivalent to that of a standard D585 charged for 5.5ms. That's a whopping 73mJ (typical) of spark energy delivered at 40KV, all with a dwell setting close to the RX-8 standard. There is headroom over this, meaning longer charge times can make for even more intense discharge.
Further to the red case, the second hint that these are not just standard D585 clones comes from the supplied ignition leads (Magnecor R100 10mm race leads)".
I can't post the original link and it will get removed again for advertisement... but it's on the RX8 UK Owner's Club forum.
04-09-2015, 02:43 AM
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Chances are that if the terminals are different then it's a D585 variant with different terminals. A D969 doesn't seem to exist from what I can tell from a few cursory searches.
It's extremely unlikely that a coil designed for GM vehicles would go on sale in Europe before the US or Asia.
I'd appreciate a link to the original thread if anyone's found it.
It's extremely unlikely that a coil designed for GM vehicles would go on sale in Europe before the US or Asia.
I'd appreciate a link to the original thread if anyone's found it.
04-09-2015, 03:17 AM
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they aren't the first to claim such, yet funny how they never actually post a dwell/output graph to back up their magic elixer marketing tactics
Needless to say I have a graph of a coil that was tested from a kit of another said supplier and it was nothing to be impressed about.
But maybe this supplier will handle it differently. The only thing on their website is a notice that D585 kits are out of stock. Not exactly inspiring to only see forum hype going on ....
Needless to say I have a graph of a coil that was tested from a kit of another said supplier and it was nothing to be impressed about.
But maybe this supplier will handle it differently. The only thing on their website is a notice that D585 kits are out of stock. Not exactly inspiring to only see forum hype going on ....
04-09-2015, 09:18 AM
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they aren't the first to claim such, yet funny how they never actually post a dwell/output graph to back up their magic elixer marketing tactics
Needless to say I have a graph of a coil that was tested from a kit of another said supplier and it was nothing to be impressed about.
But maybe this supplier will handle it differently. The only thing on their website is a notice that D585 kits are out of stock. Not exactly inspiring to only see forum hype going on ....
Needless to say I have a graph of a coil that was tested from a kit of another said supplier and it was nothing to be impressed about.
But maybe this supplier will handle it differently. The only thing on their website is a notice that D585 kits are out of stock. Not exactly inspiring to only see forum hype going on ....
The D585 are a really popular mod here in the UK so i'm not surprised they are out of stock in all honesty, there are always group buys for these.
they also come with a lifetime warranty on the coils, same as the D585.
04-09-2015, 11:39 AM
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Ok... So assuming it's the same link, I don't see anything that's really trying to sell the product in the first post of the thread.
Might be interesting: RX-8 UK Owners Club ? View topic - Rotary Revs D969 ignition coils - long term test
From the Oscilliscope pictures they posted, it doesn't acrually seem like a benefit. Check it:
D585
"D969"
Looking surface deep, the "D989" seems like it's producing a spark and that's it. (So naturally people are going to say it's better, blah blah blah...)
Going a little deeper, it seems like something isn't right. After the coil is fired, it seems like its working to do all it can to keep that spark alive, and you see a huge voltage drop through the primary coil, compared to that of the D585. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see it causing ignition problems as the spark plugs deteriorate.
Might be interesting: RX-8 UK Owners Club ? View topic - Rotary Revs D969 ignition coils - long term test
From the Oscilliscope pictures they posted, it doesn't acrually seem like a benefit. Check it:
D585
"D969"
Looking surface deep, the "D989" seems like it's producing a spark and that's it. (So naturally people are going to say it's better, blah blah blah...)
Going a little deeper, it seems like something isn't right. After the coil is fired, it seems like its working to do all it can to keep that spark alive, and you see a huge voltage drop through the primary coil, compared to that of the D585. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see it causing ignition problems as the spark plugs deteriorate.
04-10-2015, 03:48 AM
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Ok... So assuming it's the same link, I don't see anything that's really trying to sell the product in the first post of the thread.
Might be interesting: RX-8 UK Owners Club ? View topic - Rotary Revs D969 ignition coils - long term test
From the Oscilliscope pictures they posted, it doesn't acrually seem like a benefit. Check it:
D585
"D969"
Looking surface deep, the "D989" seems like it's producing a spark and that's it. (So naturally people are going to say it's better, blah blah blah...)
Going a little deeper, it seems like something isn't right. After the coil is fired, it seems like its working to do all it can to keep that spark alive, and you see a huge voltage drop through the primary coil, compared to that of the D585. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see it causing ignition problems as the spark plugs deteriorate.
Might be interesting: RX-8 UK Owners Club ? View topic - Rotary Revs D969 ignition coils - long term test
From the Oscilliscope pictures they posted, it doesn't acrually seem like a benefit. Check it:
D585
"D969"
Looking surface deep, the "D989" seems like it's producing a spark and that's it. (So naturally people are going to say it's better, blah blah blah...)
Going a little deeper, it seems like something isn't right. After the coil is fired, it seems like its working to do all it can to keep that spark alive, and you see a huge voltage drop through the primary coil, compared to that of the D585. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I can see it causing ignition problems as the spark plugs deteriorate.
04-10-2015, 03:56 AM
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...It's really obviously upside down......I don't think anyone had that question....
And really? There's no way at all to invert the signal? Really? He said there's none? An invert function is the only way to do it? Wow, what has the world come to?
If he can't figure out how to flip the signal going into the such a simple oscilloscope I'm seriously questioning if he really knows anything at all about what he's doing.
It's nothing against you Kent, it's just important to be critical of new things to make sure they're anything like what people claim they are.
And really? There's no way at all to invert the signal? Really? He said there's none? An invert function is the only way to do it? Wow, what has the world come to?
If he can't figure out how to flip the signal going into the such a simple oscilloscope I'm seriously questioning if he really knows anything at all about what he's doing.
It's nothing against you Kent, it's just important to be critical of new things to make sure they're anything like what people claim they are.
Last edited by Legot; 04-10-2015 at 03:59 AM.