P2070 code, but no other symptoms
01-09-2011, 10:25 PM
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Well, I've hit the jack pot!!! Yesterday while I was getting on the freeway, of course giving it the beans, the CEL came on. Took a trip up to Autozone and read off a P2070. I'm at 120900~ miles on an 04 and I just changed the plugs and the oil. Cleaned out the throttle body too. There hasn't been a loss in power, but my CEL is still on.
I'm thinking with my mileage I need to open her up. But Jon316G, do you think I can try the decarb method first?
I'm thinking with my mileage I need to open her up. But Jon316G, do you think I can try the decarb method first?
01-09-2011, 10:30 PM
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jdzoom8- I doubt the dealer will cover this since its not emission or engine core related, but you can print the following TSB and take it to them and ask.
Tell them that you verified that its stuck.
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...9-08-1929a.pdf
If the dealer won't cover it, either pay for them to do it or do it yourself:
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-yourself-forum-73/diy-remove-ssv-beta-teaser-video-184663/
Also... if the dealer quotes you a price to perform this, let me know what it is.
I'm real curious.
And I think its a coincidence that the cat was replaced around the same time.
This issue is more prone to occur with colder outside temps.
Tell them that you verified that its stuck.
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...9-08-1929a.pdf
If the dealer won't cover it, either pay for them to do it or do it yourself:
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-yourself-forum-73/diy-remove-ssv-beta-teaser-video-184663/
Also... if the dealer quotes you a price to perform this, let me know what it is.
I'm real curious.
And I think its a coincidence that the cat was replaced around the same time.
This issue is more prone to occur with colder outside temps.
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01-24-2011, 06:02 PM
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Just got my 05' RX8 serviced at the dealership for the same error code. He quoted me $600 for parts and labor. The engine was replace a year and a half ago so how could there be build up from 40k miles?
I have been reading around these threads and see that it could be fixed by running the engine hard. Can anyone confirm that it actually makes the CEL go away?
Should i just wait till warmer weather before i spend that money to have it fixed or would that cause too much damage?
The car still runs idle but does vibrate, but doesnt stall. Slight hesitation during acceleration but seems to run like **** every winter.
I have been reading around these threads and see that it could be fixed by running the engine hard. Can anyone confirm that it actually makes the CEL go away?
Should i just wait till warmer weather before i spend that money to have it fixed or would that cause too much damage?
The car still runs idle but does vibrate, but doesnt stall. Slight hesitation during acceleration but seems to run like **** every winter.
01-24-2011, 06:24 PM
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Well dealership diagnosed that it was the shutter valve, and that's what they plan to replace. So $600 may not even fix the problem if thats not the case.
01-25-2011, 04:50 PM
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Yes. and they said the valve can't be cleaned or fixed and has to be replaced due to a "custom" part. Not sure how much of that is BS
01-25-2011, 06:24 PM
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You can read all about this here:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
The "custom part" they might be referring to is the upgraded valve, which can be purchased without going through the dealer if you wish to install yourself.
The part numbers are at the bottom of the first post in the link above.
Though most just remove and clean the valve.
02-01-2011, 02:34 PM
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Yeah i thought so too. He also took the liberty to suggest i replace my engine mounts too. Yeah i love giving my money away why not!!!
Good news though. My CEL went away. Weather got warmer this past weekend. Dont know if that had anything to do with it, but it runs the same as it has when it was on, which isnt bad cos it ran fine.
Good news though. My CEL went away. Weather got warmer this past weekend. Dont know if that had anything to do with it, but it runs the same as it has when it was on, which isnt bad cos it ran fine.
02-05-2011, 02:42 PM
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Once again, I've got the P2070. Hubby doesn't want to venture where he's not familiar and says that since it's still under warranty (8yrs, 100,000 miles for those of you who thought it had expired), they should fix it. Guess I can't disagree there, but I just had this done in Nov '08. If they fixed it right, I shouldn't be having these problems so soon. I was able to clear it during the summer several times by running it really hard, but that's not working now and it's starting to get sluggish.
I really love this car, but would like to get better gas mileage. I'd like to keep it a few more years, but if this continues I may not. I just checked the car value and it's down to $7550. Hard to believe. Anyone check out the new Hyundai Genesis? It might be RX8's new competition.
I really love this car, but would like to get better gas mileage. I'd like to keep it a few more years, but if this continues I may not. I just checked the car value and it's down to $7550. Hard to believe. Anyone check out the new Hyundai Genesis? It might be RX8's new competition.
100k warranty won't cover SSV. I tried. Even the dealership told me that Mazda are real ****** with this warranty. The horrendous customer service from Mazda since I bought this car alone makes me not want to buy another Mazda again. In many cases they are trying to pretend these MAJOR problems don't exist and aren't widespread.
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02-05-2011, 03:01 PM
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The BS level is through the roof:
You can read all about this here:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
The "custom part" they might be referring to is the upgraded valve, which can be purchased without going through the dealer if you wish to install yourself.
The part numbers are at the bottom of the first post in the link above.
Though most just remove and clean the valve.
You can read all about this here:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
The "custom part" they might be referring to is the upgraded valve, which can be purchased without going through the dealer if you wish to install yourself.
The part numbers are at the bottom of the first post in the link above.
Though most just remove and clean the valve.
02-05-2011, 03:44 PM
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If the valve is just gunked up (which is probably the case for P2070) theres no reason why the dealer can't remove it and clean it if you don't want to try to DIY. Of course they will tell you you have to replace the whole assmebly but it isn't necessary. I've had my 8 for 7 years now and it just started having SSV issues. I figure if it took 7 years for the valve to get gunked up, all you need to do it clean it and it should be good to go for another 7 years. There is an updated, stronger actuator available which is why they will want you to replace the whole thing but is by no means necessary.
You said this after quoting me... are you trying to tell me something?
Nothing you mentioned is anything new that I haven't said already.
02-08-2011, 07:23 AM
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Hey Jon, Do you have to drop the engine to change the actual secondary shutter valve? The dealer quoted me at 752.18 (parts and labor included along with seafoam) to replace it with the new one. If they have to drop the engine, wouldn't that cost a lot more.
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02-08-2011, 07:25 AM
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Watch the video in this thread and you'll see how its done
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
02-08-2011, 07:43 AM
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Nope.
Watch the video in this thread and you'll see how its done
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
Watch the video in this thread and you'll see how its done
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=184663
You rock man.
02-11-2011, 09:30 PM
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Little advice
Looks like I'm part of this party, my valve got stuck today. A friend of mine helped me identified the problem. Since the valve is stuck he recommended to carbon clean the engine and that would fix it. Just like that? Would the valve not stick no more or do I have to stick a long screwdriver to unstick it first and then carbon clean?
02-11-2011, 09:55 PM
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Nope
If the valve is showing signs of sticking, its best to remove and clean it.
Freeing the valve (without removing it) is only a temporary fix and will likely return.
When I freed a stuck valve, it returned about 6 months later and then I had to remove/clean it.
If a temp fix is what you're looking for now, I would recommend that you remove the UIM so you have a visual sight of the SSV.
Then spray carb cleaner right onto the valve while you cycle it open/close.
Repeat several times until you're satisfied.
If you watched my SSV Removal video, you would have seen at the end of the video, once the valve was removed, the entire housing was covered with build-up.
And then if you remove the UIM to free the sticky valve, you'll notice that most of the valve isn't visible through the runners.
This is why you can't completely clean the valve of build-up without removing it... because a good part of the valve is not exposed.
If the valve is showing signs of sticking, its best to remove and clean it.
Freeing the valve (without removing it) is only a temporary fix and will likely return.
When I freed a stuck valve, it returned about 6 months later and then I had to remove/clean it.
If a temp fix is what you're looking for now, I would recommend that you remove the UIM so you have a visual sight of the SSV.
Then spray carb cleaner right onto the valve while you cycle it open/close.
Repeat several times until you're satisfied.
If you watched my SSV Removal video, you would have seen at the end of the video, once the valve was removed, the entire housing was covered with build-up.
And then if you remove the UIM to free the sticky valve, you'll notice that most of the valve isn't visible through the runners.
This is why you can't completely clean the valve of build-up without removing it... because a good part of the valve is not exposed.
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02-14-2011, 11:16 PM
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Since it has warmed up, I haven't thrown any CEL's for it, but nevertheless I am going to get it cleaned out as well as a full engine seafoam next week. Can't wait! Also getting new plugs, coils, and MSD wires. I'll be set!
02-14-2011, 11:47 PM
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Nope
If the valve is showing signs of sticking, its best to remove and clean it.
Freeing the valve (without removing it) is only a temporary fix and will likely return.
When I freed a stuck valve, it returned about 6 months later and then I had to remove/clean it.
If a temp fix is what you're looking for now, I would recommend that you remove the UIM so you have a visual sight of the SSV.
Then spray carb cleaner right onto the valve while you cycle it open/close.
Repeat several times until you're satisfied.
If you watched my SSV Removal video, you would have seen at the end of the video, once the valve was removed, the entire housing was covered with build-up.
And then if you remove the UIM to free the sticky valve, you'll notice that most of the valve isn't visible through the runners.
This is why you can't completely clean the valve of build-up without removing it... because a good part of the valve is not exposed.
If the valve is showing signs of sticking, its best to remove and clean it.
Freeing the valve (without removing it) is only a temporary fix and will likely return.
When I freed a stuck valve, it returned about 6 months later and then I had to remove/clean it.
If a temp fix is what you're looking for now, I would recommend that you remove the UIM so you have a visual sight of the SSV.
Then spray carb cleaner right onto the valve while you cycle it open/close.
Repeat several times until you're satisfied.
If you watched my SSV Removal video, you would have seen at the end of the video, once the valve was removed, the entire housing was covered with build-up.
And then if you remove the UIM to free the sticky valve, you'll notice that most of the valve isn't visible through the runners.
This is why you can't completely clean the valve of build-up without removing it... because a good part of the valve is not exposed.
its actually pretty easy to do the first time. as long as you have enough time to do it. i freed mine by hand a few times before removing and cleaning it.
02-15-2011, 09:00 AM
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you said...."Freeing the valve (without removing it) is only a temporary fix and will likely return".....and i did do that a few times, but like you said, its a temp fix. thanks for all your help when i had my SSV issues.
02-23-2011, 02:37 PM
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I have a question, i'm attempting to clean my SSV this weekend but I'm curious to know what are you guys using to clean the SSV? ZOOM engine cleaner?? thanks