neutral switch
12-19-2007, 12:57 AM
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neutral switch
What exactly does the neutral switch do? I have the cel code for the neutral switch being faulty or incorrect.
Will a car continue to start up and run with a bad neutral switch?
Thanks guys, i know this one must be an easy question, but I searched and couldn't find an answer.
Thanks
Chris
Will a car continue to start up and run with a bad neutral switch?
Thanks guys, i know this one must be an easy question, but I searched and couldn't find an answer.
Thanks
Chris
12-19-2007, 02:34 AM
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its for a manual trans right?
i'm not sure the bugs involved between the 2. neutral switch and neutral safety switch.
i think the symptom swoope may be describing is for an auto with a neutral safety switch...
but a neutral switch for a manual, all it is is a button by the clutch pedal that grounds the circuit letting the starter turn over. should have NO affect on idle or driveability to my knowledge.
i'm not sure the bugs involved between the 2. neutral switch and neutral safety switch.
i think the symptom swoope may be describing is for an auto with a neutral safety switch...
but a neutral switch for a manual, all it is is a button by the clutch pedal that grounds the circuit letting the starter turn over. should have NO affect on idle or driveability to my knowledge.
12-19-2007, 02:40 AM
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^^well...thats what a neutral switch does. if its stuck in one position or the other...it can either NOT let the car start, if its seized and not letting the circuit ground, therefore not letting the starter get power. or if its stuck/ out of adjustment, it can let you turn over the engine without stepping on the clutch setting the car in neutral...hence the name "neutral switch".
12-19-2007, 03:40 AM
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actually-
in the manual transmission of the rx-8 there is a switch that tells the PCM "im now in neutral" if the switch is stuck or faulty it can cause idle hunting issues as the pcm thinks the car is in gear and doesnt understand what to do with the air info its getting from the MAF so its load calculation gets all messed up
in the manual transmission of the rx-8 there is a switch that tells the PCM "im now in neutral" if the switch is stuck or faulty it can cause idle hunting issues as the pcm thinks the car is in gear and doesnt understand what to do with the air info its getting from the MAF so its load calculation gets all messed up
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12-20-2007, 05:49 PM
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Zoom hit it dead on about the neutral switch but the same is true of the clutch switch as well. The clutch switch allows you to start the car but it can also cause idle hunting. I had a hell of a time figuring out why my wife's 96 Miata wouldn't idle (almost stall cycling up to 1500 rpm). Tracking through with the OBD II codes, eventually lead me to replace the clutch switch (the cycling would happen with the clutch in when the car was in gear at a stop but disappear when in neutral. Both switches interact with the ECU, good news is that they aren't expensive and they are easy to DIY (at least the clutch switch is).
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12-20-2007, 06:31 PM
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Zoom hit it dead on about the neutral switch but the same is true of the clutch switch as well. The clutch switch allows you to start the car but it can also cause idle hunting. I had a hell of a time figuring out why my wife's 96 Miata wouldn't idle (almost stall cycling up to 1500 rpm). Tracking through with the OBD II codes, eventually lead me to replace the clutch switch (the cycling would happen with the clutch in when the car was in gear at a stop but disappear when in neutral. Both switches interact with the ECU, good news is that they aren't expensive and they are easy to DIY (at least the clutch switch is).
*Sigh*
Neutral switch is easy to replace too ... you have to jack your car up tho.
12-20-2007, 06:36 PM
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its for a manual trans right?
i'm not sure the bugs involved between the 2. neutral switch and neutral safety switch.
i think the symptom swoope may be describing is for an auto with a neutral safety switch...
but a neutral switch for a manual, all it is is a button by the clutch pedal that grounds the circuit letting the starter turn over. should have NO affect on idle or driveability to my knowledge.
i'm not sure the bugs involved between the 2. neutral switch and neutral safety switch.
i think the symptom swoope may be describing is for an auto with a neutral safety switch...
but a neutral switch for a manual, all it is is a button by the clutch pedal that grounds the circuit letting the starter turn over. should have NO affect on idle or driveability to my knowledge.
nope.
manual.. have had this problem..
beers
12-26-2007, 03:33 PM
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I have had this problem with my idle and threw the CEL, I took it into the dealer, and they checked the nutrual switch and didn't replace it, they said it was fine and all they did was reset my pcm. My car still doesn't idle right, it bounces quite often. I have found that if I put it in gear and put it back to nutral it goes away, but how annoying!
12-26-2007, 03:35 PM
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I had a faulty switch as well, idle was all over the place. I've got a thread on here with a video.
zoomzoom: are you still under warranty?
zoomzoom: are you still under warranty?
12-26-2007, 04:42 PM
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just some informed speculation here...
on the older rotaries, the neutral switch was used as an input to the ECU to determine whether to activate certain emissions solenoids for the air pump etc, so that could be making your emissions equipment operate incorrectly
on the older rotaries, the neutral switch was used as an input to the ECU to determine whether to activate certain emissions solenoids for the air pump etc, so that could be making your emissions equipment operate incorrectly
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03-25-2009, 01:22 AM
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Just need some help here... Yesterday and today when I was driving my car and it stalled (rpm just dropped to 0) once I shifted it to neutral at around 30 mph. It was kind of weird because I didnt have any idling problem and it started back up fine... could it be the neutral switch or could it be the intake because I have the AEM intake with only one screen.
Just need some help here... Yesterday and today when I was driving my car and it stalled (rpm just dropped to 0) once I shifted it to neutral at around 30 mph. It was kind of weird because I didnt have any idling problem and it started back up fine... could it be the neutral switch or could it be the intake because I have the AEM intake with only one screen.
03-27-2009, 01:18 AM
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thanks swoope! the funny thing is it never came back... I think its time for me to get a compression test eventhough I got one from the dealer not long ago, but I just dont trust them.
05-18-2009, 02:24 PM
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anyone know of a ball park price to replace neutral and clutch switch, my car slowly idles up to 1000rpm causing a rough idle. This has been going on ever since I had mazda replace my clutch. Also a side note, since the clutch replacement I have not been able to utalize my cruise control. I am guessing this is because of one of these two switches. My car is throwing a CEL for Clutch switch.
05-18-2009, 11:05 PM
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it depends which mode (on or off) it's failing on, which may not necessarily be the switch itself, it could also be a wiring issue, pin issue at the ECU, etc.
I'm fighting a recurring cel on mine, but have no idle or other issues with it, runs perfect actually, replaced the switch and no change. I'm finally going to break down and trace it through this weekend to figure out the problem once and for all
05-19-2009, 07:37 AM
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the issue i have is the car hunts at idle up to 1000 rpm which causes the car to shake and even more so when the airconditioning is on. when I say shake it is like right on the brink of stalling would be how it feels. almost an entire chasis shake. I am going to run the codes to find out why the cel is on and i will post more updates
06-25-2009, 02:01 PM
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nope, not always
it depends which mode (on or off) it's failing on, which may not necessarily be the switch itself, it could also be a wiring issue, pin issue at the ECU, etc.
I'm fighting a recurring cel on mine, but have no idle or other issues with it, runs perfect actually, replaced the switch and no change. I'm finally going to break down and trace it through this weekend to figure out the problem once and for all
it depends which mode (on or off) it's failing on, which may not necessarily be the switch itself, it could also be a wiring issue, pin issue at the ECU, etc.
I'm fighting a recurring cel on mine, but have no idle or other issues with it, runs perfect actually, replaced the switch and no change. I'm finally going to break down and trace it through this weekend to figure out the problem once and for all
10-07-2010, 08:22 AM
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Mine turned out to be a simple fix. Apparently when I had the trans rebuilt the rebuild shop installed an aluminum crush washer between the neutral switch and the trans housing. This was preventing the switch from contacting the actuating mechanism in the trans, leading the PCM to always believe the car was in gear. Removing the washer and using some sealant on the switch threads to prevent oil leakage solved the problem. No more CEL.
I've been dealing with my Neutral safety switch giving me a CEL for a couple of months now. Today I finally started to get some fluctuations in idle RPMS while in neutral. Did you guys replace the switch on your own, without dropping the transmission down?
I looked at the switch about a month ago and saw that both leads had the insulation melted off of them for about an inch before the switch housing. I covered them with high temp epoxy and the CEL went away for a while. Now it's back and I think it's time to replace the switch.
So yeah, I tried to reach the switch with the transmission still in place and it seemed damn near impossible. So if you did it yourself I'd really appreciate some tips. Thanks.