Raising the renesis
10-21-2013, 03:04 AM
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Raising the renesis
So I've busted two oil pans already and I'm not looking to do it again. I'm pretty sure no one has needed to do this, but I have come to a conclusion that my only option (aside from raising my car) is to raise the motor. I plan to raise the motor and tranny anywhere between 1/2 an inch to an inch. My question to the rx8 gurus out there is: do you think I'll run into any issues by doing this? Things like not having enough space in the tranny tunnel, drive shaft issues, etc. I know many here are not fond of the way I modded my car, but any help is appreciated.
BTW raising the car isn't an option. I'd rather make a custom pan than raise the car hahah.
Thanks in advance!
BTW raising the car isn't an option. I'd rather make a custom pan than raise the car hahah.
Thanks in advance!
10-21-2013, 05:44 AM
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Thanks for the quick replies guys :D I eventually want to upgrade to the rr mounts but I can't afford them at the moment. And in not trying to go broke haha. Looking for a cheap quick fix for the time being. Would spacing the oem motor mounts cause any problems?
And you said the rr mounts raise the motor? A lot of my friends were telling me that I'd have to raise the tranny as well because it would cause a lot of stress on that thing that turns it (forgot what it's called) and I don't think rr makes upgraded transmission mounts right?
And you said the rr mounts raise the motor? A lot of my friends were telling me that I'd have to raise the tranny as well because it would cause a lot of stress on that thing that turns it (forgot what it's called) and I don't think rr makes upgraded transmission mounts right?
10-21-2013, 10:01 AM
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10-21-2013, 11:10 AM
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10-21-2013, 12:47 PM
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I'mma firin' mah lazor!!!
The RR motor mounts are exactly what you need. I've had a great experience with them.
Also, stop being broke. If you can't afford 200 dollar motor mounts, park that bitch for a while until you can.
Also, stop being broke. If you can't afford 200 dollar motor mounts, park that bitch for a while until you can.
10-21-2013, 03:19 PM
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I apologize that I'm not as fortunate as some of you guys and that I can't pull 200 bucks out of my *** whenever I want. But I did get what I need so thank you everyone
10-21-2013, 05:08 PM
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Pans are cheap. I think I've spent less replacing it twice than it would be to buy those motor mounts. So let me get this straight, it is not necessary to raise the transmission when raising the motor, right? This was my main concern.
10-21-2013, 05:14 PM
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Look man, when you raise the engine you raise everything attached to the engine as well. So you better think this thru. The right answer is to raise your car. If not, then just keep replacing your pans and hope you don't damage a rotor housing or iron.
10-21-2013, 05:21 PM
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I understand that, and that's why I wanted ask everyone on here so that I kind of have an idea of what i'm doing. And also if RR's motor mounts raise the motor about 1/2 inch and no one has had transmission or other drivetrain issues, why can't I do the same?
10-21-2013, 05:30 PM
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The transmission is bolted to the engine, raising the engine raises the transmission. The PPF is bolted to the transmission and the rear diff. The diff won't move, so the entire assembly will pivot upwards (i.e, the front of the engine will lift more than the tail of the transmission).
Will you suffer problems from the half inch? No.
But people are understandably scornful of someone who would spend money to deliberately decreasing the safety and handling, suffer damage for it, and then complain about costs of trying to fix the damage rather than just putting the car dimensions back to where they should be. This gets doubly so when the "fix" is to de-engineer one of the key features of the car, and doing it with a vendor with a less than stellar reputation.
The problem isn't the motor mounts or the splash pan, the problem is that you are dragging the car's belly across the ground in a manner so as to deliberately cause damage to a car we care about and the roads that the rest of us have to drive on. Even ignoring the fact that you lay down oil that can cause paint damage at the best, car accidents and death at the worse, and has a good chance of frying your engine if you don't catch it.
So no, we don't appreciate it or think very highly of it. It's not "cool", it doesn't look good, it doesn't develop respect, and just gives the impression of sheer idiocy.
Will you suffer problems from the half inch? No.
But people are understandably scornful of someone who would spend money to deliberately decreasing the safety and handling, suffer damage for it, and then complain about costs of trying to fix the damage rather than just putting the car dimensions back to where they should be. This gets doubly so when the "fix" is to de-engineer one of the key features of the car, and doing it with a vendor with a less than stellar reputation.
The problem isn't the motor mounts or the splash pan, the problem is that you are dragging the car's belly across the ground in a manner so as to deliberately cause damage to a car we care about and the roads that the rest of us have to drive on. Even ignoring the fact that you lay down oil that can cause paint damage at the best, car accidents and death at the worse, and has a good chance of frying your engine if you don't catch it.
So no, we don't appreciate it or think very highly of it. It's not "cool", it doesn't look good, it doesn't develop respect, and just gives the impression of sheer idiocy.
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10-21-2013, 06:08 PM
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I do appreciate the straight forward answer to my question, so thank you for that. As for the rest of your post, I did say in the original post that no one in this community is fond of my car. I did not once complain about the cost of fixing the damage done to my own car. Saying that I can't afford something, imo, is not considered complaining. I have acknowledged that the solution to almost all my problems is to raise my car, but I won't because I don't want to. And to everyone who lives in the 626 area or drives on the 10 freeway going east bound, I apologize if you ran over my gross oil. The car actually runs fine and I've never had a single engine problem with it since owning it. Bought it in 09. And lastly, I'm sorry you don't like the way I have built my car. This is exactly what I think is wrong with the automotive community as a whole, myself included. We don't appreciated the time and effort someone has put into their car to make it look the way they want it to look. Not once did i say my car was cool, looked good, or developed respect, but did I even ask in the first place? Now ask if I care, cause I don't. You have your own RX8, and I have mine.
But again, thanks for the help @RIWWP. Much appreciated
But again, thanks for the help @RIWWP. Much appreciated
10-21-2013, 08:18 PM
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You took that better than I expected.
I agree that understanding and respect are often missing between different cultures in the car enthusiast community.
However, I can't reconcile mentally how someone who claims to be a part of the car enthusiast community can treat their own car with so little respect as to intentionally damage it.
I agree that understanding and respect are often missing between different cultures in the car enthusiast community.
However, I can't reconcile mentally how someone who claims to be a part of the car enthusiast community can treat their own car with so little respect as to intentionally damage it.
10-21-2013, 10:12 PM
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It really has nothing to do with that. The oil pan is higher than the subframe. Even if you stop punching oil pans by raising the engine, the subframe still will be smashing and banging over the same things. That's just ridiculous, plain and simple.
10-22-2013, 02:57 AM
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@team: the only reason i'm busting the pan is cause the subframe is (was) level with the pan. since i replaced it the first time, the pan is a hair lower than the subframe now. since the original one was getting smashed at the same rate as the subframe.
@riwwp: i think you might have a misconception of "enthusiast". everyone has different ways of modding their car. i don't have it at this height with the intention of damaging it, nor do i have little respect for my own car. if i wanted to do that, it would look a lot worse than it does now. i claim to be part of the car enthusiast community because i like cars, i enjoy the company of people who modify their cars, and i like to see the different ways people build them. that's my opinion on an enthusiast at least. of course everyone has their own cup of tea, but, imo, you should see how much effort it took to build it the way they wanted it rather than how you would. blah blah blah i can go on, but it's been explained numerous times and i'm sure you've heard it all before.
BUT that really comes down to the individuals personality. if you're a judgmental kind of guy, you can't really help yourself. i don't need anyone to approve of it, think highly of it, or think it's cool. frankly, i couldn't care less if you like my car the least bit hahah. my car is built the way i want it to be built and that's about it.
@riwwp: i think you might have a misconception of "enthusiast". everyone has different ways of modding their car. i don't have it at this height with the intention of damaging it, nor do i have little respect for my own car. if i wanted to do that, it would look a lot worse than it does now. i claim to be part of the car enthusiast community because i like cars, i enjoy the company of people who modify their cars, and i like to see the different ways people build them. that's my opinion on an enthusiast at least. of course everyone has their own cup of tea, but, imo, you should see how much effort it took to build it the way they wanted it rather than how you would. blah blah blah i can go on, but it's been explained numerous times and i'm sure you've heard it all before.
BUT that really comes down to the individuals personality. if you're a judgmental kind of guy, you can't really help yourself. i don't need anyone to approve of it, think highly of it, or think it's cool. frankly, i couldn't care less if you like my car the least bit hahah. my car is built the way i want it to be built and that's about it.
