Mototronics/Mercury ING-1A ignition coils
08-15-2011, 10:50 AM
#26
Let's not forget, too; if you would like a kit built for you BHR would be more than happy to build a custom, one-off, system using the coils of your choosing. It might take some time, cost more than the system we presently mass-produce, and it may not fit in the same manner as the system we presently offer. But, we can do it.
"Hmm. This champagne is the best I've ever tasted. But I am sure someone else can mix some grape drink and seltzer together and it will be even better."
Right now, I just don't see a need for better champagne.
08-15-2011, 11:41 AM
#27
Jesus H Christ.
Every sentance i wrote ended with a question mark. I dont know how these coils actually compare to the d585's other than the specs listed and testimonals.
My sentances where not guess's --just questions. Thats all.
Ray-- i appreciate youre offer and your open mindness.
MM-- Once you can tell the difference between a question and a "campaign" get back with us with your discovery.
As for MM
Every sentance i wrote ended with a question mark. I dont know how these coils actually compare to the d585's other than the specs listed and testimonals.
My sentances where not guess's --just questions. Thats all.
Ray-- i appreciate youre offer and your open mindness.
MM-- Once you can tell the difference between a question and a "campaign" get back with us with your discovery.
As for MM
Last edited by alnielsen; 08-15-2011 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Personal Attack Removed
08-15-2011, 12:47 PM
#29
thanks ray and I totally agree with you. This coil may end up not being anything, but you never know until you really look at it. Wish you the best.
NOW FOR THE HARD PART.
I will not post on this forum again. My response to MM's personnel attack was deleted by an admin. That is their right and so be it. I did not break any rule of the forum in defending myself.
But I will not be the "red headed step child" of this family.
I did this once before a couple of years ago because again I was tired of being berated by MM. I came back because certain good people requested that I do. MM at that time was banned from the Pettit thread.
MM this is your forum. I hope everyone realizes that and acts accordinly.
Sincerly I do hope your life does get better. No sarcasm etc. I sincerly mean that, it sounds like you have had a rough time the past while.
For the good people I have contact with, i will respond per email. We will continue the adventure.
For the most part it has been a good 7 years.
I know some will not believe this and it is just me "being a child". Ok, everyone is entitled to think what they want too. Thats ok. This is not a "threat" or anything like that. Jeez, this forum really doesnt need me
So for the good folks---rotor on and good luck.
OD out
NOW FOR THE HARD PART.
I will not post on this forum again. My response to MM's personnel attack was deleted by an admin. That is their right and so be it. I did not break any rule of the forum in defending myself.
But I will not be the "red headed step child" of this family.
I did this once before a couple of years ago because again I was tired of being berated by MM. I came back because certain good people requested that I do. MM at that time was banned from the Pettit thread.
MM this is your forum. I hope everyone realizes that and acts accordinly.
Sincerly I do hope your life does get better. No sarcasm etc. I sincerly mean that, it sounds like you have had a rough time the past while.
For the good people I have contact with, i will respond per email. We will continue the adventure.
For the most part it has been a good 7 years.
I know some will not believe this and it is just me "being a child". Ok, everyone is entitled to think what they want too. Thats ok. This is not a "threat" or anything like that. Jeez, this forum really doesnt need me
So for the good folks---rotor on and good luck.
OD out
08-15-2011, 01:45 PM
#30
Yeah thats what everybody said way back when I first proposed that GM LS2 coils could be used on an RX8. After all your conflicts with me you'd think you know better than to take anything I say to you so personally. That wasn't directed at you, but I did know you well enough to expect that you would likely respond as such. On top of that posting an unsub is about equivalent to announcing that you're going home and taking your ball with you. You don't any more need to announce that you're leaving any more than you need to ask if you can participate. Come or go as you please, but whether or not you are participating does not determine the legitimacy of the thread subject.
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 08-15-2011 at 01:47 PM.
07-01-2012, 10:13 AM
#36
Yeah, you missed the usual scrap of forum info buried within a mountain of dumbass commentary
This is the go-to solution for turbos or anyone else wanting ultra-high discharge ignition coils. They are easily set up on the RX8 to use their max dwell/output capability.
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This is the go-to solution for turbos or anyone else wanting ultra-high discharge ignition coils. They are easily set up on the RX8 to use their max dwell/output capability.
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 07-01-2012 at 10:16 AM.
07-01-2012, 07:39 PM
#37
Yeah, I guess, we have 15 million oil threads and probably 200K worth of "what mod I need to make it go faster"
these are not expensive and sounds fairly easy to setup and use.
so have you been using this setup whole time? I might go FI one day (not anytime soon tho) So this might be one of my future to do upgrade.
these are not expensive and sounds fairly easy to setup and use.
so have you been using this setup whole time? I might go FI one day (not anytime soon tho) So this might be one of my future to do upgrade.
07-02-2012, 05:19 PM
#38
I will be happy to explain how to wire them properly with full dwell/output capability, just to prove how FOS many of the replies here are, as well as provide the info on where to buy the harness
One of the features I appreciate most is that these coils use a standard 90 deg HEI coil boot that plugs on and off easily and allows the wires to be bought/replaced at nearly any auto parts store for minimal cost in an emergency situation.
One of the features I appreciate most is that these coils use a standard 90 deg HEI coil boot that plugs on and off easily and allows the wires to be bought/replaced at nearly any auto parts store for minimal cost in an emergency situation.
07-03-2012, 08:53 AM
#41
FULLY SEMI AUTOMATIC
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there was an rx8 at speed one last month with these coils installed on it for some time and the owner had nothing but good things to say. one of the shop employees couldnt stop raving about these and told me if they would fit on his fc they would be there.
09-16-2012, 08:16 PM
#44
Had to revive...
Today I was at an autocross event and met up with a guy who did a nice job on an FC with a rebuilt 13B-RE boosted etc etc. We got into the discussion of ignition coils (he also owns an RX8) and when I mentioned that I was using D585's he immediately started shaking his head.
He told me about how D585's added absolutely no benefit to an NA RX8 in terms of power (reliability is a different story) and went on to talk about how the auto-ignite of D585's can cause serious issues if you have a hard start.
He was a firm believer in using Merc coils, specifically from Quicksilver. I guess that he had a big test over at RotaryCarClub where he tested a ton of different ignition systems and found the merc coils to give the best dyno'd power and were an overall safer choice.
Now I know that every person thinks they are using the latest greatest so my post is nothing more than a discussion piece. I have refrained from mentioning any specific product or vendor because in my case, I have a DIY D585 kit and would like to keep this more of a generic comment.
Today I was at an autocross event and met up with a guy who did a nice job on an FC with a rebuilt 13B-RE boosted etc etc. We got into the discussion of ignition coils (he also owns an RX8) and when I mentioned that I was using D585's he immediately started shaking his head.
He told me about how D585's added absolutely no benefit to an NA RX8 in terms of power (reliability is a different story) and went on to talk about how the auto-ignite of D585's can cause serious issues if you have a hard start.
He was a firm believer in using Merc coils, specifically from Quicksilver. I guess that he had a big test over at RotaryCarClub where he tested a ton of different ignition systems and found the merc coils to give the best dyno'd power and were an overall safer choice.
Now I know that every person thinks they are using the latest greatest so my post is nothing more than a discussion piece. I have refrained from mentioning any specific product or vendor because in my case, I have a DIY D585 kit and would like to keep this more of a generic comment.
12-10-2012, 10:00 AM
#45
Another bump because of a conversation I had with Ludwig Motorsports regarding these coils and if they would perform better than the D585 coils:
Also take note that the coils require more amperage to operate, and it is recommended to beef up the wiring harness or run a dedicated power line from the battery to the coils.
The answer is that they should, but you're still limited by the stock dwell characteristics. The GM coils are fairly hot, but require about 6 ms dwell time to achieve around 100 mJ output. The Mercury coils achieve the same output at 3 ms charge time. So, they should provide a hotter spark with the stock RX-8 dwell. The next question is, will more spark energy help you? With a relatively stock powertrain, my guess would be the benefits would be minimal at best. If you're not having any issues with the GM coils, I probably wouldn't make the switch.
12-11-2012, 07:44 AM
#48
That has already been discussed. You only need to use the OE trigger wires. The rest is external of the OE harness if done right.
The main power and ground wires should be run separate of the OE harness and need to be sized for 20A service. The can be grouped together into a single power and single ground wire as long as all the wiring can handle 20A draw. The power line also needs to be on a fused ignition on/off relay circuit, which on most RX8s there is usually at least one unused one in the front fuse box. There is a secondary ground that is also external and should be attached to the same surface as the spark plug. So that means pairing them up for the L&T coils for both the F and R rotors, and you can use the knock sensor mounting point on each rotor housing respectively as the secondary ground attachment point.
As in your case with the S2, you currently have no way to adjust dwell so this may warrant their possible use on an S2 over the GM coil.
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The main power and ground wires should be run separate of the OE harness and need to be sized for 20A service. The can be grouped together into a single power and single ground wire as long as all the wiring can handle 20A draw. The power line also needs to be on a fused ignition on/off relay circuit, which on most RX8s there is usually at least one unused one in the front fuse box. There is a secondary ground that is also external and should be attached to the same surface as the spark plug. So that means pairing them up for the L&T coils for both the F and R rotors, and you can use the knock sensor mounting point on each rotor housing respectively as the secondary ground attachment point.
As in your case with the S2, you currently have no way to adjust dwell so this may warrant their possible use on an S2 over the GM coil.
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 12-11-2012 at 08:06 AM.