BigGunz

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I've learned so much reading this forum in the last couple of months. Thanks to ALL who contribute and pass along their knowledge & experience.

Munchy

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I ran out of FP Plus late last year and, it might be in my head, but I think I'm losing gas overall mileage per tank.

I used to do 1oz of FP Plus per fill up, plus 4oz of Idemitsu. (I still do 4oz of premix oil).

Any alternatives to FP Plus available on the market that is friendly enough to put 1oz per fill up? And of course, rotary friendly...

Thanks!

2004mazdaATL

would i have 4oz of 2 cycle oil before i fill up or after, sorry never premixed before.

BigGunz

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I first started premixing about a month ago and I was just putting the oil in prior to fill up. Now I use a ten ounce oil container and mix some gas in with 4 oz, give it a little shake and pour it and forget it.

malharmemon

quick question, is it normal for my mpgs to DROP. i changed my plugs wire and ignition. after that i got 20mpgs. then i started using premix...put in half oz per gall. so 7oz per fill up.


ever since ive been getting 17mpg. same driving habbits and routes. any idea why?

9krpmrx8

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OMG, I am going to run right out and buy a case of Protek R

kevinande

Only one case?

abesRX8

I know this is a never ending topic and before you ask I have spent countless hours reading on this. The questions I am about to ask is something that may have been asked before in a similar fashion, but going trough the piles of info on the topic is honestly a little mind numbing. So I will go ahead and apologize in advance.

I currently have roughly 130k on the original engine, I bought the car new and have done all the maintenance/repairs myself including a transmission Eccentric shaft oil seal and 2 clutch replacements. I recently had my local Mazda dealer run a compression check on the engine and the #'s were still within spec. For the last few years the car is driven vary rarely but always driven hard.

I have recently become more concerned with extending the life of the engine as surprisingly it has been very strong and reliable for me even with the harsh beating it pretty much sees every time it is driven.

I am debating on starting to premix for a few reasons.
1. The engine has always done fine without so changing what it is used to worries me. From what I have read it can do nothing but help so is it worth at least trying? Could it change the environment of the seals and what they are used to already?
2. Will the fact that the car goes extended periods of time (2-3 weeks) without being driven be an issue due to the oil not being mixed properly within the gas from sitting?

sweatr

After my 3rd tank of 91 octane and pre-mix I went 260 mile on a tank, that is my best so far.

kevinande

According to everything I have read premixing is not going to hurt your car at all, as you already stated it can only help. There are also those who believe it won't do diddly except make your wallet lighter. My car sits for weeks without being driven as well. The oil ang gas is not going to "unmix" unless you dump a boatload of oil in the fuel, not in three weeks anyway. I have had fuel for my two strokes sit for a year, and it s still completely mixed. I have seen where the ethenol will actually separate from the fuel if given long enough to do so. I was shown the sample, but the time elapsed was more than vague, so I take it with a grain of salt. if all I have to do is buy fuel ,let iit sit and separate the ethenol from the unleaded...I would do it on purpose! at any rate, a bit off topic, but you will be fine if you choose to premix.

Emery_

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The only way premix can have negative affects is if you use the wrong ratio ( too much) and it can hurt the cat if you have one.

sweatr

Begs the question: " How much is too much". I premix at 6 oz to tank full. t would be fair to say my omp is also working.

BigGunz

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I've been told by several individuals on here and outside of this forum that if you're running a cat that 4oz/tank is plenty and 6oz/tank is good for if you plan on tracking. Hope this helps. Maybe someone with more experience will chime in. I'm still pretty wet behind the ears

X_cars

New to rx8 has anyone used a friction eliminator similar to extralube zx1 which bounds to metal by putting into engine or petrol

BigCajun

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Hello, not trying to hijack, but that is a good question.
I've been meaning to ask that myself.
I have a '95 Nissan 4x4 that has 230k miles. Been using Slick 50 every 3rd change since 75k.

Strictly anecdotal, but it runs great & doesn't burn oil.

Does anyone have an opinion on if this could help a rotary?
Thanks.

kevinande

I personally would not put that stuff in my car, rotary or otherwise. All it is is 50w motor oil with PTFE (or Teflon) in it. A solid that can coat lubricated parts under immense heat and pressure. If it can do that, what is stopping it from coating or clogging passages that are not under as much pressure. The last thing you need in any vehicle much less a rotary is clogged oil passages or a drop in oil pressure in critical areas due to blockage. Do what you want, but IMO you are crazy if you put that garbage in your car.

BigCajun

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I was just wondering why I hadn't heard this discussed before.
I bought my truck in 2000 with it needing a new clutch cause the rear seal was leaking and saturated it. I had it fixed and have had no issues since.
I have used it for years. I had an '84 Isuzu Pup I used it in and had it for 15 years & +200k and still running strong when I sold it.
I do see the logic in not using it for my 8.
Thanks for the input.

kevinande

I think there are a few threads that discuss snake oils and such, you will just have to search for them. There may even be a discussion buried in this thread somewhere? The 50w itself is not going to hurt the car, it's the PTFE that concerns me.

sweatr

I generally use 6oz per tank full with no ill effects, in fact this was my 4th fill up using 6oz 2cycle per tank and I do notice much better idle especially after the second tank as well as smoother pedal and I can tell the engine is getting more lubrication because it does not sound as tinny kind of muffled in a good way.

BJP

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Well I just bought 4 twelve ounce bottles of PettitRacing's Proteck R based on what others have said. We will see.
I was on the fence on either Idemitsu or Protec.
I used to use Yamalube 2stroke oil and I just ran out today. I was adding 4 oz. per tank.

StealthTL

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This is the premix thread, take all your views on lube oil to a relevant section.

(....after you've read that Dr.Haas article, otherwise you and your Thickness Index will be savagely mocked.)

RIWWP

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You didn't actually solve all 3 points with that response. You didn't solve even one of them.


However...

The reason why we may not agree with simply "passing the information along", is that the same concept can be applied to other topics that we have banned from the forum. For example, we have banned religious discussion here because it is impossible for people to discuss it with a level head. We are only slightly joking when we refer to oil discussions as "holy wars". They have proven time and time again to get no one anywhere, emotions get charged up, and things get out of hand.

There aren't many topics that do this, but yes, oil is one of them. As a moderator, I'm inclined to stop this discussion from going further because I don't want to deal with the cleanup later on. I know for certain that every other member of the staff agrees with that perspective.



Against my inclination though, I'm going to move this discussion out of the premix thread to it's own thread in the tech section, just to see how civil people can keep it. Be forewarned though, I don't really care who starts to get out of hand, if it happens I'm going to shut it down.

(This post will be copied into that thread too)

hoss -05

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^---------- Thank you. Glad to see it moved to another thread.

Truth be told i am more interested at this point to see what various oils do when broken down after injection into the combustion process.

I surmise that without a crazy additive package a synthetic oil would in fact burn as clean or cleaner than its = non synthetic.

RIWWP

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Agreed.

I've often pondered the best way to go about conducting such a test without a significant financial expenditure. BSE had perhaps the most reasonable method, using a small 2-stroke engine that is simple and easy to break down and rebuild repeatedly.

sweatr

I want to say thank you for at least allowing me to try. I want you to know all posts are going to be from authors on line and in print. I intend to present general material on motor oil none of which will be any opinion of mine just the authors. I intend to be very generic . I intend to post opposing information when I find it on a given part of the oil discussion. I understand if it gets to be the wild wild west show you will shut it down, understood

It was not disrespect to not solve the 3 issues you stated but more that I wanted to at least have a chance and thank you for that. Please PM me if any thing seems to be going south on the issues at hand and I will stop posting.