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Just want to share some screeshoots of the software I was playing with today.
I'm using DrewTech Mongoose ISO/CAN J2534 PassThru vehicle network interface. The MMP s/w scans the car, tests all available modules and reports their s/w versions. Then if you decide to flash them... go ahead. No problem. I ran the flash procedure for the TPMS just to see what will happen. MMP went through some instructions screens I didn't follow to the end b/c I didn't want to mess with the car. But it was working.
As far as I know the Mongoose ISO/CAN cannot perform reflashig and PCM reprogramming, but the MMP didn't report that. Who knows... I didn't go to the end to confirm it.
Anyway... the screenshoots...

joshk118

what exactly does all of that mean??

zoom44

he is using the software available from from Mazda called MAzda Module Reprogramming. you get that here http://www.mazdatechinfo.com/home/DandPCcatalogTop.asp

and the Mongoose cable you get from here http://www.drewtech.com/ (nice folks there) or one of their more expensive pass thru solutions.

then you can flash your own car with a mazda flash. it doesnt allow you to flash custom flash to your car because thats not how the Mazda Software works. you'd have to find someone that could write a program to do it. they have free samples and api's on their site as well.

SC-ed

It means that you can flash the PCM in your garage.
I don't know why you wanna do that, but I was curios what the software looks like.
I also was hopping to find some diagnostic capabilities implemented for the different modules in the CAN, but couldn't find any. I'm looking for some Mazda specific J2534 compatible s/w for diagnostic and enhanced data, which will work with Mongoose. BTW DrewTech states
"The only low cost device on the market that reprograms GM and newer CAN vehicles".

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Hey Zoom

Do you know of any Mazda diagnostic s/w for Mongoose?

XRX8X

IMO-those look like the programs you get on the ford/mazda WDS-(worldwide diagnostic system) used in ford and mazda link connector to find and correct code for the pcm. this is what i use to program an extra set of keys or to program some remote systems on ford.

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I'm wondering if it is possible to obtain the WDS software only and run it on a laptop? I've searched and the WDS comes as a stand alone computer system only.
There is even one for sell on ebay as we speak.

zoom44

right see the shops are all switching(should all be done) to the newer IDS system. so they are all probably trying to find places to sell the wds to

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Asked DrewTech about ability of Mongoose to reprogram the PCM. Here is there answer:

" Do you know if the Mazda module requires a programming voltage for a reflash? The Mongoose will support reprogramming on vehicles that do not require voltages. For example, you could reprogram a CAN-based GM vehicle and some import vehicles without any problem. If the module requires a voltage to enter programming mode, it will not work."

Anyone know that?
Or I have to find it myself with the new flash available now.

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Yes. The RX-8 requires a raised voltage to program. It won't work.

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Thanks for making me sad.



j/k

two rotors

Funny this should appear!I am just sitting here reading the Training manual for the Mazda Modular Diagnostic System(M-MDS).There are 2diagnostic systems within M-MDS----one lap-top based(IDS) and one on a PDA.The system has a Vehicle Communication Module(VCM) which is a black box with cable to the in car data link connector and USB to the lap top or PDA.
My brain hurts!

zoom44

'bout time you got with the program

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Actually, its red.
Then again, the "black boxes" in aircraft are yellow and red.

zoom44

pic

zoom44

Just got a reply from Brian over at DrewTech. they may build a more expensive Ford version of the Mongoose that would include the programming voltage capability. If they decide to do so it will be on the drewtech site in august.

seikx8

That's bad new for me as I'm about to order the Mongoose cable sometime this week. What I like about the Mongoose cable is it has a debug version of the driver that give you some debug info, etc.

In any case, I'm currently inquiry about the VSI-2534 unit from dgtech. Hopefully, that doesn't cost too much, otherwise I will have to go with the Mongoose cable and make some mod to allow manually set the programming voltage by feeding it from an external source.

seikx8

If you do really want to verify, you should install the debug version of the driver. It'll give you information in a log file: DebugMongoose.txt

It does give you a pretty comprehensive information regarding what is called by the software.

dsmdriver

iTrader: (3)

If all you need is 18V on pin 13 to program, can't you just hook up an 18V power supply to that pin and then go? Seems like an aligator clip would fix this problem in a few seconds.

Aseras

it isn't and is that simple. you need the right voltage at the right time and you have to send some commands to start the flash.. also the powersupply must be very stable, both the 12v for the PCM and the programming voltage or you risk a real pain in the ***. the pcm does have a recover mode ( keep trying until it works, if there'a fail it will keep listening for a reflash). but I really wouldn't want to go through all that trouble.

Aseras

this would be the way to go... the mongoose is nice and compact and cheap.no usb to serial and none of the other crap, just a nice cable with everything you need.

zoom44

absolutely- wheni was talking with them last year just before they put the mongoose on the market at an industry show i thought they told me it would be fully capable of programming. obviously we miscommunicated. i cant imagine how much expense it would add. but the straight USB to port is the best. i want to get it to use with my Hymee scanalyser even without the programming feature