Highest Horsepower dynos for SC Turbo and nitrous - post them here
08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
#101
I wish we could have a dyno thread like in every other forum online. Just a simple dyno thread with no complications or selectivity. Not an "out of box kit dyno thread", not a "this was under these circumstances vs these other ones" thread but instead a simple dyno thread were people post dynos, no if ands of buts. Apparently that is a problem on this forum.
This is not a "product review/comprarison thread", or a "vendor review thread", or a "lets teach newbies what to expect, realistically" thread. It is a dyno thread for what dynos are out there with FI on a Renesis engine, the OP was very clear. If you have a Renesis and it is force induced (who cares if superman built it with a GT55 and unobtanium apex seals) then your dyno goes here.
People can/should do research and reach their own conclusions about what is realistically attainable to them with a Renesis. We don't need to babysit anyone in this thread.
It isn't realistic for everyone that purchases a G35 to expect 1000whp but if you go to the G35 forum and read their dyno thread you will find a 1000whp dyno or two and nobody is complaining. Its a newbie's fault if he/she doesn't research and realize whether its a custom setup or not. The thread is for dynos, not for explanations.
Brettus, I apologize for the post whoring.
Best regards,
Chris
This is not a "product review/comprarison thread", or a "vendor review thread", or a "lets teach newbies what to expect, realistically" thread. It is a dyno thread for what dynos are out there with FI on a Renesis engine, the OP was very clear. If you have a Renesis and it is force induced (who cares if superman built it with a GT55 and unobtanium apex seals) then your dyno goes here.
People can/should do research and reach their own conclusions about what is realistically attainable to them with a Renesis. We don't need to babysit anyone in this thread.
It isn't realistic for everyone that purchases a G35 to expect 1000whp but if you go to the G35 forum and read their dyno thread you will find a 1000whp dyno or two and nobody is complaining. Its a newbie's fault if he/she doesn't research and realize whether its a custom setup or not. The thread is for dynos, not for explanations.
Brettus, I apologize for the post whoring.
Best regards,
Chris
08-17-2009, 01:43 PM
#102
I wish we could have a dyno thread like in every other forum online. Just a simple dyno thread with no complications or selectivity. Not an "out of box kit dyno thread", not a "this was under these circumstances vs these other ones" thread but instead a simple dyno thread were people post dynos, no if ands of buts. Apparently that is a problem on this forum.
This is not a "product review/comprarison thread", or a "vendor review thread", or a "lets teach newbies what to expect, realistically" thread. It is a dyno thread for what dynos are out there with FI on a Renesis engine, the OP was very clear. If you have a Renesis and it is force induced (who cares if superman built it with a GT55 and unobtanium apex seals) then your dyno goes here.
People can/should do research and reach their own conclusions about what is realistically attainable to them with a Renesis. We don't need to babysit anyone in this thread.
It isn't realistic for everyone that purchases a G35 to expect 1000whp but if you go to the G35 forum and read their dyno thread you will find a 1000whp dyno or two and nobody is complaining. Its a newbie's fault if he/she doesn't research and realize whether its a custom setup or not. The thread is for dynos, not for explanations.
Brettus, I apologize for the post whoring.
Best regards,
Chris
This is not a "product review/comprarison thread", or a "vendor review thread", or a "lets teach newbies what to expect, realistically" thread. It is a dyno thread for what dynos are out there with FI on a Renesis engine, the OP was very clear. If you have a Renesis and it is force induced (who cares if superman built it with a GT55 and unobtanium apex seals) then your dyno goes here.
People can/should do research and reach their own conclusions about what is realistically attainable to them with a Renesis. We don't need to babysit anyone in this thread.
It isn't realistic for everyone that purchases a G35 to expect 1000whp but if you go to the G35 forum and read their dyno thread you will find a 1000whp dyno or two and nobody is complaining. Its a newbie's fault if he/she doesn't research and realize whether its a custom setup or not. The thread is for dynos, not for explanations.
Brettus, I apologize for the post whoring.
Best regards,
Chris
08-17-2009, 01:48 PM
#103
Let's just put dynos as long as as there is a comprehensive write-up about the "supporting" mods. Porting, stand-alone ecus, intake manifolds etc are all ok considering this thread's title and brettus' clarification on what to post and what not.
I love Jeff's dyno plots and their consistency for instance but this is not this topic's mean. Here we want to see how much you can push before going kaboom i think.
Then we might start a thread about dyno plots vs driveability etc using chicken's suggestions: a given rpm range and peak power taken every x rpms.
Then it will be up to the reader to see what to read! I don't care about peak hp but that's just me.
We might do a step forward to not being a ricer's forum having both threads t again that's just my humble opinion
-Giorgio
I love Jeff's dyno plots and their consistency for instance but this is not this topic's mean. Here we want to see how much you can push before going kaboom i think.
Then we might start a thread about dyno plots vs driveability etc using chicken's suggestions: a given rpm range and peak power taken every x rpms.
Then it will be up to the reader to see what to read! I don't care about peak hp but that's just me.
We might do a step forward to not being a ricer's forum having both threads t again that's just my humble opinion
-Giorgio
08-17-2009, 01:50 PM
#104
It isn't realistic for everyone that purchases a G35 to expect 1000whp but if you go to the G35 forum and read their dyno thread you will find a 1000whp dyno or two and nobody is complaining. Its a newbie's fault if he/she doesn't research and realize whether its a custom setup or not. The thread is for dynos, not for explanations.
I'm sure it is quite nice to put a 420+ HP turbo dyno out there and watch the fireworks, but it is irresponsible and unscrupulous to do so.
The VAST majority of those that attach themselves to a thread like this one, believing they can attain similar results "on a budget" or whatever are complete morons. Its just a sad fact.
08-17-2009, 02:03 PM
#105
That is right. Because:
They can't/won't.
Yes. Precisely. Do you want to be responsible for holding all of those hands?
I'm sure it is quite nice to put a 420+ HP turbo dyno out there and watch the fireworks, but it is irresponsible and unscrupulous to do so.
The VAST majority of those that attach themselves to a thread like this one, believing they can attain similar results "on a budget" or whatever are complete morons. Its just a sad fact.
They can't/won't.
Yes. Precisely. Do you want to be responsible for holding all of those hands?
I'm sure it is quite nice to put a 420+ HP turbo dyno out there and watch the fireworks, but it is irresponsible and unscrupulous to do so.
The VAST majority of those that attach themselves to a thread like this one, believing they can attain similar results "on a budget" or whatever are complete morons. Its just a sad fact.
Still, it's a dyno thread...not a lets hold hands thread.
I have yet to sell one kit (out of over 35) to a person that just ordered it without first emailing several times and at least one phone conversation regarding whats included in the kit, what they can expect with it and what they should do/purchase for what they want.
The 414whp dyno was with our kit as it comes out of the box with our ignition upgrade as it comes out of the box on pump fuel. Therefore it is replicable by a customer that wants to have that. I don't own a dyno so it was done with the tune that can be attained in a few hours on one or what can be done street tuning with a wideband meter which makes it even more realistic.
Whether now I have a 500whp dyno with a bunch of other stuff, yes I understand that and when I post that dyno I will post a list of what is in the setup so people can know what it took and judge for themselves. I have never claimed anywhere that if you buy my kit and bolt it on you will have 500whp outright and what claims I have made have been reached.
Regardless, its pointless to discuss this here, the OP asked for FI Renesis dynos and that is what he has gotten so far.
Maybe a separate dyno thread should be started where the criteria is different...but that was already done with the prior dyno one.
Chris
08-17-2009, 04:52 PM
#106
In an atempt to please most of the people most of the time I have updated the first page .
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
08-17-2009, 05:18 PM
#107
In an atempt to please most of the people most of the time I have updated the first page .
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
08-17-2009, 06:05 PM
#108
In an atempt to please most of the people most of the time I have updated the first page .
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
I created a new category which is for club members who are not vendors and have a kitset which is running on pump gas IE real world .
The other chart is more of an all out no restrictions chart , including vendors , any custom setups , any fuel you like etc .
Lets see how this goes ................
The biggest thing for me about the vendor kit dynos is a) Are they fudged? (I know, I Know, but I don't trust anyone, call me a pessimist) and b) A vendor is much more likely and willing to risk a motor than the average or even enterprising customer. Thus the customer is less likely to push their setup.
Like me, for example, I'm happy right now at 9psi and 300-rwhp, no need really to fix what still feels fast and is perfectly safe. But I still want to push it, post up a nice dyno with some nice numbers and blah blah blah, then I'll probably go back down to 12psi for the street anyways, because I'm still convinced 400-rwhp on the street is just insane.
I like Brettus' idea that the vendor can be separate from customer dyno and be in the more "***** to the wall" section including race gas, custom UIMs, porting, custom turbo setups, etc.
I think someone did 293-rwhp on a stock T618Z before...
08-19-2009, 01:17 AM
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That is right. Because:
Yes. Precisely. Do you want to be responsible for holding all of those hands?
I'm sure it is quite nice to put a 420+ HP turbo dyno out there and watch the fireworks, but it is irresponsible and unscrupulous to do so.
The VAST majority of those that attach themselves to a thread like this one, believing they can attain similar results "on a budget" or whatever are complete morons. Its just a sad fact.
Yes. Precisely. Do you want to be responsible for holding all of those hands?
I'm sure it is quite nice to put a 420+ HP turbo dyno out there and watch the fireworks, but it is irresponsible and unscrupulous to do so.
The VAST majority of those that attach themselves to a thread like this one, believing they can attain similar results "on a budget" or whatever are complete morons. Its just a sad fact.
I believe the most responsible thing to do is show what you've done, and how you have done so, thus giving others an opportunity to replicate the results.
This is only my opinion and you are welcome to do as you please. I understand your position requires you to protect yourself from fools and idiots, and occasionally even I am one of the two.
However, I propose Dynos be posted with a listing of the supporting mods, fuel, Weather conditions and any other variables possible which could affect the power represented wherein.
I also propose a disclaimer be posted with any dyno, stating that variables can and will affect the amount of power produced, for those who don't already know this...
08-19-2009, 01:30 AM
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Isn't it also irresponsible and unscrupulous for someone to purchase something without thoroughly researching it first?
I believe the most responsible thing to do is show what you've done, and how you have done so, thus giving others an opportunity to replicate the results.
This is only my opinion and you are welcome to do as you please. I understand your position requires you to protect yourself from fools and idiots, and occasionally even I am one of the two.
I also propose a disclaimer be posted with any dyno, stating that variables can and will affect the amount of power produced, for those who don't already know this...
I believe the most responsible thing to do is show what you've done, and how you have done so, thus giving others an opportunity to replicate the results.
This is only my opinion and you are welcome to do as you please. I understand your position requires you to protect yourself from fools and idiots, and occasionally even I am one of the two.
I also propose a disclaimer be posted with any dyno, stating that variables can and will affect the amount of power produced, for those who don't already know this...
I agree that the burden should be placed a bit more on the customer to research and understand what they are getting themselves into. I can tell you from personal experience that no matter how many disclaimers you put up or information you shove in the customer's face some will still ignore it and then complain when the kit doesn't work how they think it should.
It's the responsibility of the vendor to only advertise numbers which they are confident can be easily duplicated no matter what modification setup the customer might have on their car.
Otherwise be prepared, as MM said, to have to hold hands and deal with bad guy threads or complaints from people who saw a X whp dyno and want to know why they don't have that.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a simple dyno thread. I think there's just words of caution being expressed to not be surprised if this thread turns into a crap fest of crying people cause they can't get the same dyno numbers.
08-21-2009, 05:09 PM
#116
Nice thread Brettus. Haven't been on much these past few months, but it looks like not much has changed.
Correction, the Pettit one is also uncorrected:
Totally uncorrected.
I agree, Todd. But we also don't want "out of the box" kit numbers, since that was what the other thread was for, and this one is ***** To The Wall, do whatever it takes.
I don't think this thread was created to guide anyone, per say, but more or less just "This is what X kit is capable of doing" and it's up to the user to interpret the results. Some people actually like a late delivery, peaky turbo powerplant (I know...). Others want more linear power. This will show them all the aspects.
My main thing for vendors/manufactures having their own dynos in here is they probably spent a MUCH longer time on the dyno fine tuning the setup and could have even tuned for max numbers. I just want to see if a customer can replicate the results. It's all fine and dandy to advertise a kit as making xxx-rwhp but if a customer can't achieve it, it might as well be bogus, you know? I'm rather curious now to see what the highest rwhp Esmeril customer dyno is....
Another reason Jeff's dyno could be omitted is it was non-SAE corrected so it's rather raw, all the other dynos are SAE corrected for altitude, temperature, etc. Jeff would have pulled well over 330-rwhp probably if it was corrected.
I don't think this thread was created to guide anyone, per say, but more or less just "This is what X kit is capable of doing" and it's up to the user to interpret the results. Some people actually like a late delivery, peaky turbo powerplant (I know...). Others want more linear power. This will show them all the aspects.
My main thing for vendors/manufactures having their own dynos in here is they probably spent a MUCH longer time on the dyno fine tuning the setup and could have even tuned for max numbers. I just want to see if a customer can replicate the results. It's all fine and dandy to advertise a kit as making xxx-rwhp but if a customer can't achieve it, it might as well be bogus, you know? I'm rather curious now to see what the highest rwhp Esmeril customer dyno is....
Another reason Jeff's dyno could be omitted is it was non-SAE corrected so it's rather raw, all the other dynos are SAE corrected for altitude, temperature, etc. Jeff would have pulled well over 330-rwhp probably if it was corrected.
Totally uncorrected.
08-23-2009, 03:32 AM
#119
Londons Yellow Peril
i dynoed my car once NA, and went to a dyno of Juans supercharged car...Blimey its scary when it really starts hammering! I thought it would leap off the dyno and kill us! haha!
08-25-2009, 06:25 PM
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