Axial Flow Supercharger - Page 18

x-mann · 08-05-2004, 02:46 PM

nice post you just explained why I and most of the people on this forum are eagerly waiting for you to do the hard part, so we can just bolt it on and zoom zoom.

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rotarygod · 08-05-2004, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

RG I think your what they call a glutten. If that is spelled right.

Not quite sure what you mean. This is the closest thing I could find to "glutten".

Main Entry: glut·ton
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English glotoun, from Old French gloton, from Latin glutton-, glutto; akin to Latin gluttire to swallow, gula throat, Old English ceole
1 a : one given habitually to greedy and voracious eating and drinking b : one that has a great capacity for accepting or enduring something <a glutton for punishment>
2 : WOLVERINE 1a

Actually I want a new aluminum upper manifold for forced induction use. Putting composites under pressure scares me.

zoom44 · 08-05-2004, 07:34 PM

he means 1b RG.

thanks richard.

Richard Paul · 08-05-2004, 08:27 PM

RG, I'm sure you can eat and drink with the best but for now I ment 1 b.

As to the manifold you will probably get it your way since the molds for a composite part is way out of the question for my volume of parts. On the other hand I'm not sure that it can't take low pressure. If there is a way I can keep it in the loop then we will test it for pressure and temp.

If anyone knows the exact material we can look up the numbers for it. It would tell you if it is worth testing. I've worked with engineering polimers that are almost as strong as aluminum. This is not that exotic of a composite but where it is should be studied

RAP

epitrochoid · 08-05-2004, 08:43 PM

FWIW the srt-4 neon has a plastic IM

MPG > HP · 08-05-2004, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I believe that there is so much science in the Mazda intake and exhaust tuning that only the most experienced and well equiped persons should attempt to improve on it. Persons other then those should check their egos first.
...
I have learned the very hard lesson not to think you are so smart that you can go into another man's area and beat him...

... Think about that, one tiny car company with limited resorces is the only place this has been studied... [Way to go, Matsuda!!]

...alas you can never go home again. . Everything on the car from the time you open the door is in that black box. In the end of course we are all better off for it but I can still complain. There is no way the power and reliability of modern engines would be possable without the engine managment systems. In racing as well as road cars.

RAP

That's one hell of a quote!! I for one would wait, just in appreciation for the fact that the longer it takes, the more assured we will be that you could be producing a part that will fit performance and durability objectives such that many of us would want to reward you with a decent price. I can see how your efforts may possibly lead to a crowning achievement of your career and wish you God's speed, RAP, to the benefit and inspiration of rotary heads all, for hopefully a long time to come!

mpt_yellowRX8 · 08-05-2004, 11:04 PM

I'm not very patient but I don't know anything about tuning rotary engines so I am forced to wait. Take your time and I will gladly give you some business when you get your system out. Nobody else has anything that is functional at the time so your not missing business opportunities. As for the giving up my car thing, I want to sooo bad, but then I think about worst case scenario and shun the thought. It really is a hard argument but I love to drive too much and don't want my car too many miles away.

Keep up the good work!

bassik277 · 08-06-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Next it is easier for me to tell you why there are no pictures of my s/c in an RX 8 yet. Before an actual car installation is attempted everything else has to be done. We have to have the packaging figured out and the parts built. We all know it will be a lot of work making the engine managment work. So before we take a perfectly usable car and reduce it to a lot of little parts on the bench we need everything else well along if not final.

If you want I will take your car apart and start fitting things while we do the rest of the development. I just can't tell you when all the other things will be done. Or if all the problems will ever be solved. That is when we will put your car back together. If you can live with that I will entertain taking it off your hands.

RAP

I might be willing to volunteer my car for fitting purposes, seeing that I'm also from Chatsworth CA, but the incentive would have to be that once the fitting is complete, the unit stays on my car :D . PM me so that we can further discuss this.

-Alex

Richard Paul · 08-10-2004, 05:53 PM

Just when you were ready to go back in the water!!
We needed a little more airflow then the first prototype produced.
That by itself wasn't a shock, we allowed for that.
But if it can go wring it will. After some close study there is a need for some passages to be reworked. This is to keep the airspeed constent.
This is the exit volute that has 5 of it's 6 sides machined. So it is a time consuming rework. I should say redesign as it cannot be reworked from an existing part.

These are some of the things that the axial flow compressor designer must pay closer attention to then say a positive displacment pump.

Just a little more work. Work, work, work
Don't know how long it will take. Design this week, machine program and manufacture, another week maybe two.

Anyone know the size of the throtle body on the RX 8???
Area and airflow at some pressure drop.

Ajax · 08-10-2004, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Just when you were ready to go back in the water!!
We needed a little more airflow then the first prototype produced.
That by itself wasn't a shock, we allowed for that.
But if it can go wring it will. After some close study there is a need for some passages to be reworked. This is to keep the airspeed constent.
This is the exit volute that has 5 of it's 6 sides machined. So it is a time consuming rework. I should say redesign as it cannot be reworked from an existing part.

These are some of the things that the axial flow compressor designer must pay closer attention to then say a positive displacment pump.

Just a little more work. Work, work, work
Don't know how long it will take. Design this week, machine program and manufacture, another week maybe two.

Anyone know the size of the throtle body on the RX 8???
Area and airflow at some pressure drop.

Always good to have an update.
Keep up the good work.

x-mann · 08-14-2004, 06:35 PM

update please richard

magixpuma · 08-14-2004, 07:00 PM

1 question paul how much does teh actual thing way its so small looks like 3 pounds can you tell us.

zoom44 · 08-14-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by x-mann

update please richard

dude he posted 4 DAYS AGO!! give him some time for crying out loud.

rotarygod · 08-14-2004, 07:36 PM

He's busy. He'll update maybe once or twice a week.

Richard Paul · 08-17-2004, 04:22 PM

Sorry, my server has been out for three days now. Update: I just finished the new blower yesterday. It is a five stage with more flow and some bending of the curve. Have not tested it yet. There is an identical four stage unit being built also. That is what I am working on right now.

When they are both ready and the time and space is available the tests will get done. I'll see if I can get some pictures of the first and second models side by side. We shall call the newer one dash 2, so as to be sure of the evolution.

Also someone wanted to know the weight, it is 11 lbs +/-

Hope I didn't leave out anyone.
Richard

abbid · 08-17-2004, 04:32 PM

sweet! richard you own!

shelleys_man_06 · 08-17-2004, 06:01 PM

11 lbs?! Wow, that's far less than the GT3540R I wanted. Hope the project goes well, Richard.

Spazm · 08-17-2004, 11:20 PM

Whenever RP posts its like Christmas.

x-mann · 08-18-2004, 02:38 PM

christmas in august

zoom44 · 08-18-2004, 04:17 PM

just had a crazy thought (thanks to shelly's man)- could you combine this axialflow compressor with a turbine and make it an axialflow TURBOcharger? would there be any benfits or problems?

Richard Paul · 08-18-2004, 05:33 PM

You just invented the jet engine.

zoom44 · 08-18-2004, 05:47 PM

cool!!! i knew there was an invention in that thought somewhere!! do you think i can get a patent on it?

i would give you credit for naming it, though i think it was rather presumptuous of you to go around naming other's inventions :p do you think their would be any applications for this "jet engine"

p.s. - "jet engine" is already taken we will have to name it something else :D

GeorgeH · 08-18-2004, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

You just invented the jet engine.

"Zoom-zoom-zoom!" :D

Hymee · 08-18-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoom44

just had a crazy thought (thanks to shelly's man)- could you combine this axialflow compressor with a turbine and make it an axialflow TURBOcharger? would there be any benfits or problems?

Indeed you did just invent the Jet engine.

But I did mention this concept, and asked if it had been in automotive use in past # 212 (page 15 of this thread):

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=212

Near the end I mentioned some day dreaming during english classes about this...

Did you know a jet engine idles at about 60% RPM ??

For an interesting read, go look up the work Chrylser did on the Turbine Car.

http://www.turbinecar.com/top.htm

Cheers,
Hymee.

zoom44 · 08-18-2004, 06:57 PM

well as i said "jet engine" is already taken so we'll have to come up with something else to call it

you know i had read your post but had forgotten until just now. perhaps there was a bit of it left in my brain when i had this epiphany earlier. so could this be driven by a turbine instead of a belt?