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We are about to market a new supercharger. This is of the axial flow type. Similar to aircraft jet engines or gas turbines. While very complex to engineer and produce it is worth it. It is smaller, lighter and more efficent than any othr form of compression. The current unit is 5 inches by 8.5 inches and 10 lbs.
There is no need for an intercooler on street installations. The first kits will be for Honda. Next we want an upscale car. The Rx-8 looks like a good car. We would love to have one for a company car. But is there enough market to warrent the engineering of a kit?? With the probable volume and complexity the package will run about 3500 to 3700.
Will owners buy such a product? Lets talk about what you want. I am having trouble getting pictures in here. They are available just have to work it out.
You may have to e mail me for them until I figure it out.
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Last edited by Richard Paul; 06-13-2006 at 10:41 PM.
Originally posted by Richard Paul While very complex to engineer and produce it is worth it. With the probable volume and complexity the package will run about 3500 to 3700.
Are you talking about an electric powered R/C aircraft motor that produces maybe one pound of boost and is only on at full throttle?
Or are you referring to someting like turbodyne whose "business plan is to rapidly move to a position of sustainable operations"?
If we're talking about what I want, then I want bulletproof reliability, demonstratible HP/torque gains of at least 25%. Oh, and no vaporware. There are a number of companies that have slapped a turbo in the car and said "Hey look at us!". Unfortunately none of them seemed to have progressed to the "we have a working reprogrammed ECU" stage.
Click the 'post reply' button (Not the quick reply) and then click on the browse button, select the picture (either in JPG or gif format ) from your harddrive then click send. you need a topic and short message i think.
hang in for about an hour while I get some help with the photos.
I have been building these type blowers for 20 years. Every time a competitive test is done my blowers out perform anything else. Sometimes by 100%. Also like jet engines they live for a long time. Jet engines get overhauled after many thousands of hours.
Why has this been kept fro the market? Because it is hard to build and engineer.
New manufacturing methods we have just developed allow the price to now be competitive. These are cnc machined from solid billet. In fact the alloy of the rotor is something we don't even talk about.
Richard please don't take my comments as hostile as I have no ill intent towards you. Having said that, I have seen many people come and go making similar claims of future product development but never see a finished product. It usually just turns into pages of discussion without any real progress. If you look around the same forced induction principles are still around with no one new appearing. There was a different style of supercharger proposed on the RX-7 forum and it went on for dozens of pages and for months. Tons of people expressed interest and there was tons of discussion but never a working product. It would be nice for someone to already have developed a working model on the car with actual test results before they make it public. An actual representation of interested parties can not be judged before a product is finalized, especially in this market. Most people don't own a car for more than a few years and typically do what they want to with them with what is easiest now. Many people will express an interest in forced induction but will probably go a more conventional route before this ever gets done. Also, most people don't like being the guinea pig.
Now despite this, I am interested in the idea and would actually like to see a working model of one. I am not opposed to the idea in any way and welcome new developments which give the consumers more options than just the purely traditional. I hope that you are sincere and serious about bringing this to the market. It's not that I don't want to believe you, it's just that so many others before you have ruined the marketing of new products that it is hard to believe I will ever see it. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck.
I would like to hear about some technical ideas of your though. In other words do you intend for this to be an axial style exhaust driven turbocharger or belt driven axial supercharger? Also how many stages do you propose in the compressor? Is it just a single stage or multiple like current jet engines?
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An axial flow compressor is indeed very efficient. However, it is not positive displacement and operates nearly like those Vortech superchargers. The exception is the Vortech uses a centrifugal compressor, like a turbo.
I think Paxton used to make axial flow blowers in the 50's and 60's. I have been corrected. Latham used to make axial flow blowers.