Mazdaedit
10-26-2012, 02:31 PM
#76
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There is only one major problem with Cobbs free racetuner version, and that it is only usable on US domestic RX8's.
If it was usable on RX8's from other parts of the world, then it would be great.
I have an Accessport sitting around that I can't tune with because it wasn't until I had bought the thing and downloaded the Racetuner software that I found out that I couldn't use it on my JDM RX8.
I'm sure there are a few that are in the same situation as me.
This is one of the main reasons that Brett is looking into the Mazdaedit software.
We know that Hymee's Protuner has no support now and was not that well supported even in the beginning.
So I do think it is worth looking at this software even if it was only for the other RX8's that can't use Cobb's free racetuner software.
There is only one major problem with Cobbs free racetuner version, and that it is only usable on US domestic RX8's.
If it was usable on RX8's from other parts of the world, then it would be great.
I have an Accessport sitting around that I can't tune with because it wasn't until I had bought the thing and downloaded the Racetuner software that I found out that I couldn't use it on my JDM RX8.
I'm sure there are a few that are in the same situation as me.
This is one of the main reasons that Brett is looking into the Mazdaedit software.
We know that Hymee's Protuner has no support now and was not that well supported even in the beginning.
So I do think it is worth looking at this software even if it was only for the other RX8's that can't use Cobb's free racetuner software.
10-27-2012, 11:52 AM
#77
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The Hymee Protuner us no longer supported, or even sold that I'm aware
I bought a copy back in 2009 and never even got the base map that Hymee has to supply with your VIN token, which made my $1k purchase a total dry hump in the keester. If you want to chance dealing with that slimer then be my guest.
I don't know who is telling you the Cobb Protuner version is not available. MM has exclusive on remaining RX8 AP devices, but not the software. Know this for a 100% fact as I have strong contacts within Cobb (was one of the original Beta tuners for the RX8 AP prior to it going public and their local shop does my alignment/cornerscale work).
I personally don't see what this offers above the Cobb. I tune other Cobb APs. The Protuner version just allows you to lock out the map so that nobody else can access your work and makes the owner entirely beholden to the tuner for changes etc. Cobb is adamant that there is no tuning advantage over the free Racetuner version. Anybody knowledgable can offer the same service MM does via datalogs etc. just with unlocked maps is all
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I bought a copy back in 2009 and never even got the base map that Hymee has to supply with your VIN token, which made my $1k purchase a total dry hump in the keester. If you want to chance dealing with that slimer then be my guest.
I don't know who is telling you the Cobb Protuner version is not available. MM has exclusive on remaining RX8 AP devices, but not the software. Know this for a 100% fact as I have strong contacts within Cobb (was one of the original Beta tuners for the RX8 AP prior to it going public and their local shop does my alignment/cornerscale work).
I personally don't see what this offers above the Cobb. I tune other Cobb APs. The Protuner version just allows you to lock out the map so that nobody else can access your work and makes the owner entirely beholden to the tuner for changes etc. Cobb is adamant that there is no tuning advantage over the free Racetuner version. Anybody knowledgable can offer the same service MM does via datalogs etc. just with unlocked maps is all
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By support I'm talking about technical support. Jeff's dongle has the magic and he's not sharing.
10-28-2012, 01:54 PM
#78
Pretty sure I explained why I'm going down this path earlier in the thread . someone is not paying attention.
Also :
Also :
Hi Brett,
Thank you for your interest in the COBB Tuning software. Unfortunately it is not for sale due to our arrangements with Mazda Maniac. I apologize for the inconvenience, but please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns that I can assist you with.
Cheers,
Stephen Le
Tech Support/Sales
Thank you for your interest in the COBB Tuning software. Unfortunately it is not for sale due to our arrangements with Mazda Maniac. I apologize for the inconvenience, but please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns that I can assist you with.
Cheers,
Stephen Le
Tech Support/Sales
Last edited by Brettus; 10-28-2012 at 02:18 PM.
10-28-2012, 11:58 PM
#79
You need to speak with the Sales Manager, Scott Brood, not the Tech line
scott@cobbtuning.com
They don't support it as in there will not be any further development. I think if you get an '04 USDM computer you can tune and use it in a JDM car , not 100% sure though. Might need the security override from Racing Beat. They come up for sale on the forum every once in a while (04' PCM with Racing Beat tune)
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scott@cobbtuning.com
They don't support it as in there will not be any further development. I think if you get an '04 USDM computer you can tune and use it in a JDM car , not 100% sure though. Might need the security override from Racing Beat. They come up for sale on the forum every once in a while (04' PCM with Racing Beat tune)
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10-29-2012, 12:20 AM
#81
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I have looked into using a USDM RX8 computer to use in a JDM Rx8 and yes it can be done and the main problem is the security setup on the US models, which Racing beat can override. I also talked with Racing Beat about this, and from memory you would lose the security override if you want to flash a different tune into the computer.
So this is why I have not gone any further with trying to get hold of a USDM computer.
Rotaman
So this is why I have not gone any further with trying to get hold of a USDM computer.
Rotaman
10-29-2012, 02:11 AM
#82
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RB is also notorious for putting 05 flashes on 04s and vise-versa. I've seen it on two different local 8s. In both cases the AP was worthless. If the specs don't line up between the map and the car Access Tuner freaks out. Jeff was unable to do anything to help under both cases.
10-30-2012, 11:23 AM
#83
Hardly hot or new, but definitely a lot of work. I suppose if that's your only option then it probably makes sense. If it fleshes out into something worthy I might take a look, but as it stands for USDM it doesn't make much sense.
For USDM owners, you might be best served by requesting all the various year/model Racetuner programs and storing copies somewhere safe for future use ...
For USDM owners, you might be best served by requesting all the various year/model Racetuner programs and storing copies somewhere safe for future use ...
10-30-2012, 01:35 PM
#84
similar to what I have done, I have acquired ATR for 04, 05, 06-08.
and they all work
but I like the idea of actual support and chances for upgrades/software improvements
I could think of several.
and they all work
but I like the idea of actual support and chances for upgrades/software improvements
I could think of several.
10-30-2012, 02:53 PM
#85
Have not had much opportunity to play with the software lately but I can definitely see it has some advantages over Protuner and to a lesser extent The Cobb AP.
IE
*possibility to run a fully integrated gauge set with low and high alarms plus ability to add external guages. Have not tested how reliable this is yet.
*Dyno function as per previous page . Can overlay dynos to measure real world improvements from tuning etc.
*The logging/graphing functions are quite advanced . But very complicated and taking me a while to come to grips with.
*Reflashing is way more convenient than Protuner and i can see it being a lot easier to do on a dyno .
Overall I see some big potential once I've finished ironing out the bugs with the Russian.
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*possibility to run a fully integrated gauge set with low and high alarms plus ability to add external guages. Have not tested how reliable this is yet.
*Dyno function as per previous page . Can overlay dynos to measure real world improvements from tuning etc.
*The logging/graphing functions are quite advanced . But very complicated and taking me a while to come to grips with.
*Reflashing is way more convenient than Protuner and i can see it being a lot easier to do on a dyno .
Overall I see some big potential once I've finished ironing out the bugs with the Russian.
10-31-2012, 09:47 AM
#87
we need more screen shots!!!
Virtual Dyno is a free dyno program, simply load a logfile, tell it the car you have and what gear.
Virtual Dyno
Virtual Dyno is a free dyno program, simply load a logfile, tell it the car you have and what gear.
Virtual Dyno
10-31-2012, 12:16 PM
#89
there is also a little graph button, that will open up a window and you can select items in your log to graph.
that was true, but it has been updated with the rx-8 information a couple months ago, I have been using it, I like it
Last edited by FazdaRX_8; 10-31-2012 at 12:20 PM.
10-31-2012, 05:36 PM
#92
This is my current engine with the blown/bent apex . Power and torque are both down on the last dyno with a healthy engine . I think it's damn close to correct.
Including parameters past WOT does yield some rather interesting results though .
Including parameters past WOT does yield some rather interesting results though .
Last edited by Brettus; 10-31-2012 at 06:14 PM.
10-31-2012, 06:05 PM
#93
yes take a second gear pull and tell it that it was 5th gear lol.
but lets say you get 400whp, then you make a tuning change, or you add something and you get 410whp,
you might not be getting 410whp but you know you gained 10whp from a tune or mod.
one time I had a log said I had 700whp lol, that was with the cobb dyno hehe
here is a VD of a n/a car blue line is with OEM tune, redline is my tune, all I did was keep the settings the same, the final number doesn't matter, the curve and gain does.
3rd gear
but lets say you get 400whp, then you make a tuning change, or you add something and you get 410whp,
you might not be getting 410whp but you know you gained 10whp from a tune or mod.
one time I had a log said I had 700whp lol, that was with the cobb dyno hehe
here is a VD of a n/a car blue line is with OEM tune, redline is my tune, all I did was keep the settings the same, the final number doesn't matter, the curve and gain does.
3rd gear
Last edited by FazdaRX_8; 10-31-2012 at 06:19 PM.
10-31-2012, 06:26 PM
#95
Nice to see the comparison. Be sure you've got the right gear ratios, the standard car is a 5 speed. Also, perhaps a good idea to reduce the smoothing; it hides the notches normally caused by the SSV and APV openings.
Here's one of my tunes of 3 iterations ago. I'm pleased with the boost in low rpm torque, and fixed the leaness in later tunes.
Anyone wanna tell me how to display attachments into the body of the post?
Here's one of my tunes of 3 iterations ago. I'm pleased with the boost in low rpm torque, and fixed the leaness in later tunes.
Anyone wanna tell me how to display attachments into the body of the post?
Last edited by HiFlite999; 10-31-2012 at 06:37 PM.
11-01-2012, 12:34 AM
#97
Just because it matches your expectation doesn't make it right, without any way to verify therein lies the rub
With proper tuning there are no 'notches'. People without practical experience always resort to theories they don't comprehend the real world results of ...
With proper tuning there are no 'notches'. People without practical experience always resort to theories they don't comprehend the real world results of ...
11-01-2012, 06:26 AM
#100
If one smooths out the data artificially, there's no way to see if the notches are there or not. And yes, they normally are there with a stock(ish) tune. If it ever stops raining (before it starts snowing), I'll load the stock tune back in and see what it takes for the program to duplicate the real dyno traces I have.