nycgps

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http://www.hypertech.com

it sounds legit ... +6 to hp/tq

Free internet updates ... adjust fan speed on the fly and bunch of other claims.

450 bux to buy.

just wondering if anybody ever heard of this.

Hmmm ? anybody ?

bse50

For about the cost of the accessPORT i think that there's no battle between the 2 systems
Some investigation would be interesting though, just for knowledge

dannobre

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What makes you think it will work on an RX-8

There are literally dozens of flash tuners around for North American, European and Japanese cars.....ever wonder why there are really only 2 that work on the RX-8

kennyfrc1

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Racing Beat FTW

dannobre

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Racing Beat isn't really a flash tuner per say...they are flashing the ECU...but not any way the end user can adjust anything..

nycgps

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True. but for people who wants to "do it and forget it" , RB is not a bad choice.

J8635621

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I saw the booth at SEMA that said it could do RX8s and I forgot to post it. I'd still go with the Cobb since the price is so close.

TeamRX8

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I never posted this because I didn't want to bash RB, but prior to becoming a beta tester for Cobb the RB race flash I received made less power than the OE flash.

Brettus

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/\ wow

laythor

their dyno graph is meh

yomomspimp06

cobb AP /thread

dieselsdad

My car was used for the tuning at Hypertech. Prior to that I had the Cobb on it. For those who want to set it and forget it is a very nice tune. The driveability is fantastic.

dieselsdad

By the way, that's the automatic Dyno graph. My car was used for the Manual testing.

laythor

since they don't really seem to do much i would assume the driveability would be fine

Flashwing

So when you say you used the COBB, did you have a custom tune created or did you use the Stage 1 COBB Tune?

I'm sure the Hypertech is a fine product, however the ability for a custom tune creation with the COBB honestly makes it a better product. Price wise, they are almost the same.

At this point the only better product would be a device that functions as an ECU flasher that has some sort of automated tuning capability built in.

The RB flash is old technology and completely unnecessary considering it's an off-the-shelf tune and one that cannot be easily removed or put back to stock.

kennyfrc1

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It's also a tune that delivers the results they claim it will at 1/2 the price of the Cobb with the added value of not having to beg for tunes. My car consitently pulls 200+ to the the tires on the dyno.

Flashwing

Then you're one of the fortunate people who ended up with an RX8 configured in a manner which works with the RB tune. The problem, however, with off the shelf tunes regarding the RX8 is the vast difference in power output and fueling.

And who exactly is "begging" for tunes?

I've argued the differences between the RB flash and the COBB accessPORT till I'm blue in the face. The accessPORT is more flexible for modifications, doubles as a data reader and logger and gives the user the ability to remove it from the car without having to mess with the PCM at all.

Same deal applies to the Hypertech. No ability to have a customized tune. More importantly is the inability to control things such at the OMP injection which is one of the fantastic elements of the AP.

Look, its your car and your money. If there was honestly a better tuning product that fits the needs of the majority of RX8 customers I'd be all for it. RB's process of flashing PCM's is outdated, cumbersome and turns your RX8 into a 3,000 lbs paper weight until you get it back.

dieselsdad

I ran the Cobb stage 1, useless. I ran the Cobb custom tuned, very nice but difficult if you're not tuning with a dyno or don't know what you're doing. . I'm friends with the guys at Hypetech so I allowed them to use my car. In exchange I got literally hundreds of Dyno pulls worth of info. For those that know, there is only so much juice you can squeeze from this naturally aspirated engine, we all know the limits of what can be achieved at this point and we achieved those. The benefit to me is that we were able to change/adjust all of the same things you can do with the Cobb, for instance OMP rates. I'm not aware of what the hypertech tuner does or doesn't do at this point, my car is custom tuned. I kept the Cobb and use it as a datalogger. I can tell you that the Hypertech people are very thorough and very involved with what they do. They have both a 4 wheel dyno (front and rear rollers are linked) as well as a Mustang. They purposely use the lower numbers so no one is dissapointed with the personal results they experience. Their operation is VERY impressive, not just an office with a dyno outback. They tune all of their vehicles with as many aftermarket parts as they can to test different outcomes. They literally have a warehouse full of high end aftermarketr parts for each car they offer tuners for, EVO's, STI's, S2000's, RX-8's, not to mention all of the domestic stuff as well as trucks they tune. Each tuner was tested with all of the different variables so that they know their product will perform with someone elses. The RX-8 was tested with different intakes, different exhausts, cat and no cat, high octane fuel, low octane fuel, pre-mix and no pre-mix etc...If you think the stock car offered great driveability then you haven't yet had a good tune. The difference is apparant the moment you drive the car. I am in NO way affiliated with Hypertech other than a friend that works there. I'm just offereing my personal experience. Is it better than the Cobb? That's up to the personal user. How many people continue to fiddle with a tuner and never make it any better? If you think you might be one of those then maybe the Hypertech is the way to go.

bse50

I'm sorry but in my opinion your logic is flawed.
While the guys at hypertech may have done a great work on your car why would that map work on another one? It would be the same to say that the cobb's base tune is great for every rx8!
There are cars built in series where a "base" tune may be enjoyed for a while, unfortunately that's not our case.
You should try your flash on another car to get an Idea

dieselsdad

Thanks for pointing out my flawed logic.

If you aren't capable or willing to tune your own car or have someone do it for you then this MIGHT be an option for you. I don't care what you get. It's your car, tune it as good or bad as you like.

I thought someone might appreciate some insight as to what is involved in their tuning operation. I suppose you were at the Cobb compound when they tried multiple intakes, exhausts, mid pipes, ignitions and so on as they came up with their base tune. If so, I'm impressed because personally I didn't know COBB went to all of that trouble to be so detailed.

IF you can tune yourself the COBB is a wonderful piece of equipment, I have one, I know.

It's nice having choices.

shadycrew31

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Bump...

Hope the pissing match is over now its been a few months.

So cobb is out at this point. Has anyone looked into getting the tuning software so we can get custom tunes?

Someone like myself who has a port and polish and other random things, will get nothing out of this when compared to a custom tune.

9krpmrx8

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I must have missed this thread. very interesting, I setup a Hypertech programmer on my friends Mustang GT and the power result was pretty amazing. I already have the Cobb too but Hypertech has done some great things.

Here is the Dyno graph for the manual RX-8, Seems like Dieseldads RX-8 made pretty good power stock. Or was this a further revision on the Cobb tune he had installed?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/4974167565/http://www.flickr.com/photos/9krpmrx8/4974167565/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/9krpmrx8/, on Flickr

chiketkd

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I'd pose your questions directly to the source: techsupport@hypertech.com

I'm considering the HyperTech system as it offers some nice features which I'm not aware that the Cobb AP offers (like the change in tire size). And while I can pick up a Cobb AP used, I don't like buying something that's out of production and only being supported in a limited way by the manufacturer into the future. Heck, if I'm the second owner and the hand-held breaks, would they even warranty it???

Currently I don't plan to take my RX-8 beyond STX trim, so this may be perfect for my needs.

Btw, this was a response I got from Tech Support at HyperTech the other day:

--Chike

9krpmrx8

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Hmmm, it would be nice if someone could get this and do a before and after dyno. I wonder what their return policy is?

chiketkd

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I was thinking about that as well.

I sent Tech Support another e-mail to see how long it would take for their program to be optimized on a car.