Syncro Saver Customer Feedback
03-12-2009, 08:55 AM
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Syncro Saver Customer Feedback
Now that we have had the product out there for a bit now I wanted to get some more feedback from more customers.
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Syncro Savers!
Over shifting during performance driving is a common occurrence across a wide variety of vehicles and the RX-8 is no exception.
During spirited driving, the faster you shift, the sooner you get back on the power. Unfortunately, faster shifting is usually more aggressive shifting which leads to “over shifting” the transmission.
Over shifting is shifter travel greater than required to engage the gear which can cause serious damage to internal transmission components such as synchronizers, clutch hubs (which contact the synchronizer) or the shift forks. From the drivers seat this seems very slight but the clearances inside the transmission are measured it thousandths of an inch! In other words, a little extra movement in the shifter is eliminating the required clearances inside the transmission.
The next time you are in your vehicle, select a gear and release the shifter. Press the shifter harder into the same gear and you will notice the shifter actually continues to move past the point where the transmission is already in gear! In vehicles with short shifters this will be masked slightly because of the shortened throw but the internal stresses are still present and possibly worse because of leverage. During spirited driving it is likely happening with ALL of the shifts because the driver is focused on getting to the next gear as quickly as possible.
The bottom line, this slight additional movement breaks internal components! Race cars with aftermarket shifters have been addressing the problem for years and now you can as well!
The Syncro-Saver when installed properly will eliminate the additional excessive travel of the shifter with a definitive shifter stop which in turn will eliminate the binding of components inside the transmission. You set it, lock the stops in position and forget it!
This also allows you to focus on your driving and NOT worry about over shifting and damaging the transmission.
These have been tested on multiple cars already with the AFE Short Shifter and Standard OEM Shifter as well with great success!
Syncro Savers!
Over shifting during performance driving is a common occurrence across a wide variety of vehicles and the RX-8 is no exception.
During spirited driving, the faster you shift, the sooner you get back on the power. Unfortunately, faster shifting is usually more aggressive shifting which leads to “over shifting” the transmission.
Over shifting is shifter travel greater than required to engage the gear which can cause serious damage to internal transmission components such as synchronizers, clutch hubs (which contact the synchronizer) or the shift forks. From the drivers seat this seems very slight but the clearances inside the transmission are measured it thousandths of an inch! In other words, a little extra movement in the shifter is eliminating the required clearances inside the transmission.
The next time you are in your vehicle, select a gear and release the shifter. Press the shifter harder into the same gear and you will notice the shifter actually continues to move past the point where the transmission is already in gear! In vehicles with short shifters this will be masked slightly because of the shortened throw but the internal stresses are still present and possibly worse because of leverage. During spirited driving it is likely happening with ALL of the shifts because the driver is focused on getting to the next gear as quickly as possible.
The bottom line, this slight additional movement breaks internal components! Race cars with aftermarket shifters have been addressing the problem for years and now you can as well!
The Syncro-Saver when installed properly will eliminate the additional excessive travel of the shifter with a definitive shifter stop which in turn will eliminate the binding of components inside the transmission. You set it, lock the stops in position and forget it!
This also allows you to focus on your driving and NOT worry about over shifting and damaging the transmission.
These have been tested on multiple cars already with the AFE Short Shifter and Standard OEM Shifter as well with great success!
Last edited by Race Roots; 09-20-2009 at 09:01 AM.
03-12-2009, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by marsredr100
So you want to hear/see what the Fluid Motorsports Syncro Saver sounds/feel like. Grab a bag of your favorite unhealthy snack and take a look/hear the video link. The click you hear after every shift is my shifter (AF Short Shifter) hitting the Syncro Saver thus letting me know that I no longer need to apply shifting force and also to let me know that it is in the selected gear position. It does the same while autocrossing, drag racing, VTEC Dez MF, Drive-It-Like-You-Stole-It mode or listening to Vanilla Ice (Ice-Ice Baby) at full volume by giving me touch-feedback. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUA1XYiLrQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUA1XYiLrQ
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Last edited by Race Roots; 03-13-2009 at 07:53 PM.
03-13-2009, 04:43 PM
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Driving review:
The shifting still feels as nice as it did before except now the positive stop gives nice feedback and a precise feel without the worry of overextending. I really like it driving through town. It goes in and goes no further just as advertised. the pictures and instructions are straightforward. I was already comfortable with what I was going to do ahead of time though since I've taken out my shifter and stereo before so I had an advantage. the pictures were definitely helpful and well done.
Fluid turned around my shipment quickly and followed up with an email with the instructions before my part arrived.
The shifting still feels as nice as it did before except now the positive stop gives nice feedback and a precise feel without the worry of overextending. I really like it driving through town. It goes in and goes no further just as advertised. the pictures and instructions are straightforward. I was already comfortable with what I was going to do ahead of time though since I've taken out my shifter and stereo before so I had an advantage. the pictures were definitely helpful and well done.
Fluid turned around my shipment quickly and followed up with an email with the instructions before my part arrived.
03-30-2009, 10:17 PM
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I finally got some time to install this! The installation was pretty simple and straight forward. If you already know how to pop the center console cover off and remove the boots then it will only take you about 5 minutes.
Anyways... My first impression when driving was how amazing it felt going through the gears 1-4 and even downshifting. The shifts seem to be a lot more precise than before because I can just downshift with ease and tap the shift plate. I can literally feel that the shifter is tapping the plate by the clicking noise, so I dont have to worry about over shifting at all.
I currently have the AFE short shifter and the inner shift boot installed (which I believe is optional). What I noticed was that the inner shift boot causes the shifts to be less notchier if you have the AFE short shifter (for those who have the AFE shifter knows what I mean because the short shifter tends to be a little notchier and stiffer than oem).
Overall I am impressed with the results and I will try to remove the inner boot to see how that would feel.
Anyways... My first impression when driving was how amazing it felt going through the gears 1-4 and even downshifting. The shifts seem to be a lot more precise than before because I can just downshift with ease and tap the shift plate. I can literally feel that the shifter is tapping the plate by the clicking noise, so I dont have to worry about over shifting at all.
I currently have the AFE short shifter and the inner shift boot installed (which I believe is optional). What I noticed was that the inner shift boot causes the shifts to be less notchier if you have the AFE short shifter (for those who have the AFE shifter knows what I mean because the short shifter tends to be a little notchier and stiffer than oem).
Overall I am impressed with the results and I will try to remove the inner boot to see how that would feel.
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03-31-2009, 08:02 AM
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In vehicles with short shifters this will be masked slightly because of the shortened throw but the internal stresses are still present and possibly worse because of leverage
03-31-2009, 10:16 AM
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Over shifting is shifter travel greater than required to engage the gear which can cause serious damage to internal transmission components such as synchronizers, clutch hubs (which contact the synchronizer) or the shift forks. From the drivers seat this seems very slight but the clearances inside the transmission are measured it thousandths of an inch! In other words, a little extra movement in the shifter is eliminating the required clearances inside the transmission.
I'd really love to hear the explanation on this.... really
I'd really love to hear the explanation on this.... really
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
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I wonder if I can add a little 1/8" felt or foam adhesive just around the edges to minimize some of the clicking if it gets too annoying, but I could def see the benefit of having this.
Ok, so I just ordered mine. Tasks to complete this weekend:
Shifter Boot
AxialFlow SS
Ipod Adapter
Synchro Savers
Next week or so: New exhaust
Next month or so: AP
Ok, so I just ordered mine. Tasks to complete this weekend:
Shifter Boot
AxialFlow SS
Ipod Adapter
Synchro Savers
Next week or so: New exhaust
Next month or so: AP
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03-31-2009, 03:52 PM
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I wonder if I can add a little 1/8" felt or foam adhesive just around the edges to minimize some of the clicking if it gets too annoying, but I could def see the benefit of having this.
Ok, so I just ordered mine. Tasks to complete this weekend:
Shifter Boot
AxialFlow SS
Ipod Adapter
Synchro Savers
Next week or so: New exhaust
Next month or so: AP
Ok, so I just ordered mine. Tasks to complete this weekend:
Shifter Boot
AxialFlow SS
Ipod Adapter
Synchro Savers
Next week or so: New exhaust
Next month or so: AP
BTW - i'd still love a mechanical explanation of how this is saving the syncros...
03-31-2009, 04:34 PM
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i was wondering about this product when i saw it on your website, i wanted to purchase it but wondered how well it works and it looks like i'll be getting this item soon
